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Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by logifail » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 4:58 PM UTC

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #435

logifail wrote: post #21

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> Before people realize that they can't really make a 3-layer cake in a toaster Our 12-year-old recently tried to make himself "cheese on toast" by putting both cheese and uncooked bread into the (almost brand new, upright) toaster. Aaargh! Cue the house full of smoke, a stern reprimand, then a couple of hours of my time wasted on removing every last piece of burnt greasy cheese from inside the toaster, followed by s…

A story from an academic summer camp where I used to work: In the dining hall one morning, a teacher sees three kids putting ice cubes into the toaster. The teacher walks up to them. Two of the kids dash away, leaving the third to fend for herself. Teacher: "What are you doing?" Student: "Putting ice cubes into the toaster." Teacher: "Why would you do that?" Student: "To see what would happen." Teacher: "Okay. Let's…

> This was a camp explicitly for gifted & talented students, I might add

Believe me, they're the worst ;)

My son recently got on the wrong train to get home from school, it was one that was "fast" that is it doesn't stop in the place where we live, his train sailed straight through our station and the next several stations, before it finally stopped somewhere and he got off.

At this point he (rightly) whipped out his phone and called me for help/advice. I checked the train timetables, figured out that although I could have gone and picked him up in the car, it would actually be quicker - and perhaps a learning experience - for him to get the train back.

So, I told him "go to platform X and get the train at HH:MM and it will bring you home".

He went to platform X, but unwisely got on the first train which arrived, which unfortunately was a delayed - fast(!) - service. So, he ended up going in the other direction on a fast train - and (again) not stopping - straight through our station, until his train eventually reached somewhere it did stop at.

At this point he phoned me in tears. I got in the car and drove there to pick him up.

We filed that under "learning experience". We seem to be having plenty of them...

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by conductr » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 4:59 PM UTC

bee_rider wrote: post #399

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This is my take. Mid 40s and I’ve never owned a toaster in my adult life, but the toaster oven gets frequent use. However I don’t make plain toast ever. I suppose if I did, especially in the AM, I’d see the appeal.

I still don't see the appeal, what's the advantage of the non-oven toaster? Maybe it is quicker or something? But the toaster oven is a timed device anyway, just run it while the water is boiling for coffee...

Upright toaster is very quick and low risk of burning even when left unattended. I my experience, that timed example falls apart unless you're right there to take it out of the oven. I don't drink coffee so have no reason to hang out in the kitchen. I'd start it then go to my room and get dressed and return to my toast on my own time. However, my toaster oven behaves like a real oven and holds heat even when the elements turn off, I'd have to do a lot of experimentation to figure out the right time/temp setting. Figuring out the desired setting on a upright is incredibly easy. Once set, it's set and forget. You just push the button, walk away, return when you want to eat your toast.

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by corrral » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 4:59 PM UTC

drewzero1 wrote: post #426

samizdis wrote: post #56

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At the risk of sounding like a salesperson, I'd like to mention a feature of basic/classic Dualit toasters - namely, the optional and elegantly simple sandwich cage. [1] The cage is designed to take two slices of bread with a filling (in my usage, always heavy on the cheese). You put this into the toaster slot, which is vertical, and safely make cheese/whatever toasties. So, your 12-year-old had the right idea, but n…

This morning I was making toast in my cheapo toaster and was reminded of the Dualit a customer brought in last year for me to repair. The date code was 1997 and it sounded like it was the first heating element replacement it had needed in that time. I thought the one side/two side heating element switch was particularly clever. Honestly I was just impressed that the parts were available. Most consumer-grade toasters…

Considering their two-slice toaster I just looked up is $300, it better have repair parts available for the next, IDK, 50 years at least, not to be a complete rip-off. I expect I'll go through a half-dozen toasters in my life, and probably won't spend that much total (inflation adjusted).

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by conductr » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 4:59 PM UTC

jstarfish wrote: post #460

bee_rider wrote: post #399

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I still don't see the appeal, what's the advantage of the non-oven toaster? Maybe it is quicker or something? But the toaster oven is a timed device anyway, just run it while the water is boiling for coffee...

Takes up way less space!

Has way less utility! Jk, this is a valid point, I just happen to have plenty of space so this isn't a factor for me

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Post by kragen » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 5:00 PM UTC

jeffbee wrote: post #134

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Just the other day youtube suggested me this cutsie "what to do with old microwaves" video that just had the corporate jingle music over a video of a guy building various things out of microwave transformers without any kind of narration or warning of the danger. Considering people are actually dying trying these microwave tricks, this is no longer a theoretical concern. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2UfglFeOH8 (m…

Salad is pretty dangerous and I don't see anyone putting disclaimers on cooking shows.

Contact with live microwave oven transform secondaries has about a 70% fatality rate, if we believe bigclivedotcom. Eating salad has about an 0.001% fatality rate.

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by tailspin2019 » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 5:01 PM UTC

JPLeRouzic wrote: post #451

Tabular-Iceberg wrote: post #410

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Why was the cancer attributed to the microwave incident? After all, it's not ionizing radiation.

Ultraviolet light causes skin cancer, yet it is not ionizing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-ionizing_radiation#Lower_f...

From that link:

> “2011, the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) from the World Health Organization (WHO) released a statement adding RF electromagnetic fields (including microwave and millimetre waves) to their list of things which are possibly carcinogenic to humans.”

WTF. This was the exact opposite of my understanding until today… ie that non-ionising radiation from the likes of microwaves was not carcinogenic.

I don’t know how to keep up with this stuff.

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by imtringued » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 5:03 PM UTC

jandrese wrote: post #444

drewzero1 wrote: post #426

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This morning I was making toast in my cheapo toaster and was reminded of the Dualit a customer brought in last year for me to repair. The date code was 1997 and it sounded like it was the first heating element replacement it had needed in that time. I thought the one side/two side heating element switch was particularly clever. Honestly I was just impressed that the parts were available. Most consumer-grade toasters…

Conventional toasters are so cheap it makes no sense to try to repair them. Plus they aren't built to be repaired at all. When my last one died I tried taking it apart to see what went wrong (element burned through as it turned out) and see if I could fix it, but the whole mechanism was basically as single piece put together with spot welds and rivets, and with part markup being at least 2x or 3x initial cost there w…

In theory you want anything with a finite lifespan to not need any repairs or maintenance during its lifespan and only fail once its lifespan has been exceeded.

Repairing isn't supposed to make sense, you get the next, better iteration of the product.

In practice, products fail way too early and for easily avoidable reasons justifying the need for repairs.

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by logifail » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 5:04 PM UTC

t_mann wrote: post #459

logifail wrote: post #448

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> I kinda like the '[discipline X professional] reacts to [relevant movie clips]'-type videos (like 'Navy pilot reacts to new Top Gun movie'). Those are exactly the ones I'm talking about > You find them so terrible? Yes. All noise, no signal! If you want to watch videos about Navy pilots doing their jobs, go right ahead. Why watch Navy pilots "reacting" to a Hollywood movie? The average Navy pilot must know as about…

Tom Cruise is a really bad example, because he actually does have a pilot license since 1994 and is allowed to fly some jets. [0] I'm not looking for advice on how to make a good movie (or how to fly a plane, for that matter), but on some perspective how (un)-realistic those movies are. I think overall that sort of scrutiny does some good in terms of making movies less unrealistic (compare 80's action movies like Ram…

> Tom Cruise is a really bad example, because he actually does have a pilot license since 1994 and is allowed to fly some jets

Some jet ... but not the jets in the movie!

So what's the point in getting a Navy pilot to watch him "flying" them? Apart from - of course - being able to make clickbaity videos showing their "reactions".

> perspective how (un)-realistic those movies are

Erm, why? Movies are movies.

There's loads of excellent stuff to read/watch about actual fast jet flying. Far more interesting and, well, real.

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by drewzero1 » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 5:05 PM UTC

corrral wrote: post #463

drewzero1 wrote: post #426

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This morning I was making toast in my cheapo toaster and was reminded of the Dualit a customer brought in last year for me to repair. The date code was 1997 and it sounded like it was the first heating element replacement it had needed in that time. I thought the one side/two side heating element switch was particularly clever. Honestly I was just impressed that the parts were available. Most consumer-grade toasters…

Considering their two-slice toaster I just looked up is $300, it better have repair parts available for the next, IDK, 50 years at least, not to be a complete rip-off. I expect I'll go through a half-dozen toasters in my life, and probably won't spend that much total (inflation adjusted).

That was the same conclusion I came to. I replaced my $20 toaster from 2015 with nearly-identical $30 toaster in 2020. I had looked into a lot of options to avoid the unified toaster box mechanism, including building my own, and eventually decided that the value proposition just wasn't there (especially considering how infrequently I make toast).

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by robonerd » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 5:06 PM UTC

t_mann wrote: post #459

logifail wrote: post #448

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> I kinda like the '[discipline X professional] reacts to [relevant movie clips]'-type videos (like 'Navy pilot reacts to new Top Gun movie'). Those are exactly the ones I'm talking about > You find them so terrible? Yes. All noise, no signal! If you want to watch videos about Navy pilots doing their jobs, go right ahead. Why watch Navy pilots "reacting" to a Hollywood movie? The average Navy pilot must know as about…

Tom Cruise is a really bad example, because he actually does have a pilot license since 1994 and is allowed to fly some jets. [0] I'm not looking for advice on how to make a good movie (or how to fly a plane, for that matter), but on some perspective how (un)-realistic those movies are. I think overall that sort of scrutiny does some good in terms of making movies less unrealistic (compare 80's action movies like Ram…

I've seen a few videos recommended to me that are psychologist/therapist reacts. I'm pretty sure psychology and therapy without ever meeting and talking to the subject is generally considered unethical quackery.