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Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by Majromax »

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #48
CM30 wrote: post #32

YouTube's moderation is ridiculous, and it demonstrates the problem Google has in general. They don't like paying actual people to moderate their sites, and rely on automated systems and bots to do everything for them. So, if there's ever an issue (or you have a bunch of scammers mass reporting you because you debunk their 'work'), then YouTube/Google seems to think you're the problem instead of the scumbags. We need…

> We need things to change here. We need Google to moderate their services properly, Human moderation isn’t perfectly consistent, either. It would be extraordinarily expensive to expect YouTube to have humans moderate everything manually. What are people willing to give up in exchange for a human-moderated version of YouTube? Would we be okay if they charged a $3 “moderation fee” on every upload to cover the cost of…

> It would be extraordinarily expensive to expect YouTube to have humans moderate everything manually.

You could flip this around, however? Why is YouTube promoting videos that no responsible human has reviewed?

These videos don't just trip and fall into people's feeds. They're selected by YouTube's recommendation algorithm, presumably targeting maximum engagement. That decision is automated, but it's still an editorial decision -- it's not based on an objective, chosen criterion like "most recent" or even "most viewed."

This isn't how YouTube is currently structured (nor the other social media platforms), but I think it's fair to suggest that if a platform is in the business of picking and choosing winners, it should bear at least a moral responsibility for the content it promotes.

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by cuteboy19 »

philistine wrote: post #94
throwaway9870 wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It probably should have been more than 3 hours given that you likely mean "voltage" not "amps". Before everyone jumps on me, "it is the amps that kill you, not voltage", I understand electricity quite well and in this context, saying something like "handling high amps in a university" is almost certainly not what was taught.

Also, it's not electronic safety, its straight up electrical safety. There are no electronics in a magnetron.

Even with power electronics we still say electrical safety

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by hedora »

mrtksn wrote: post #60

We really need to finish with this content removal business and simply hold people accountable for the content. In other words, YouTube or any "utility level" platform should not have the right to remove content by its own and just request information to protect itself. For example, if someone is posting about something harmful the videos should remain and the person who does that should face the consequences. It's n…

I would agree that eliminating content removal would make sense if they also eliminated their recommendation system.

From a legal perspective, making them legally liable for any content they promote (but not content they merely distribute) might fix the problem.

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by [deleted] »

hedora wrote: post #336
CM30 wrote: post #32

YouTube's moderation is ridiculous, and it demonstrates the problem Google has in general. They don't like paying actual people to moderate their sites, and rely on automated systems and bots to do everything for them. So, if there's ever an issue (or you have a bunch of scammers mass reporting you because you debunk their 'work'), then YouTube/Google seems to think you're the problem instead of the scumbags. We need…

This case pretty clearly crosses the line into criminal negligence / manslaughter / murder. If they were are book publisher or TV network, someone at Google would be facing jail time.

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Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by toss1 »

cupofpython wrote: post #302
t_mann wrote: post #258

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> I would never say this to my kids. So what would the learning experience consist of then? > If the kid was present for it. OP mentioned several hours of work + dry runs in the garden. Pretty hard to miss that, unless they're perpetually glued to their screens (which would be the bigger concern). PS: Also, unless you take your kid to a physical store, the new toaster will pop up even more magically than the cleaned…

the learning experience is that the toaster they were familiar with is gone because of what they did. very simple. I guess I am the only one here that doesnt want to fuck with toaster repair. they arent worth it. they can cause fires and give electrical shocks. honestly, the last thing i want my kid to think in that situation is that it is okay for them to put their hands in the toaster. Which they might do if they s…

>> can cause fires and give electrical shocks.

which is why you unplug it before working on it and make a BIG point to the kid of both hazards, and how essential it is to remove power before working on something, AND to do test runs in a safer area like outside, etc.

>>the last thing i want my kid to think in that situation is that it is okay for them to put their hands in the toaster

I'd say that you don't want them putting their hands in WHILE IT IS POWERED or HOT. Important distinction, and best started early and often. They'll see it sometime, better to have them have a context so they can tell the difference between doing the same thing when it is smart (powered down and repairing), vs Darwin Award candidate level stupid (when powered); then they can evaluate other's actions and draw the right conclusions.

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by drewzero1 »

samizdis wrote: post #56
logifail wrote: post #21

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> Before people realize that they can't really make a 3-layer cake in a toaster Our 12-year-old recently tried to make himself "cheese on toast" by putting both cheese and uncooked bread into the (almost brand new, upright) toaster. Aaargh! Cue the house full of smoke, a stern reprimand, then a couple of hours of my time wasted on removing every last piece of burnt greasy cheese from inside the toaster, followed by s…

At the risk of sounding like a salesperson, I'd like to mention a feature of basic/classic Dualit toasters - namely, the optional and elegantly simple sandwich cage. [1] The cage is designed to take two slices of bread with a filling (in my usage, always heavy on the cheese). You put this into the toaster slot, which is vertical, and safely make cheese/whatever toasties. So, your 12-year-old had the right idea, but n…

This morning I was making toast in my cheapo toaster and was reminded of the Dualit a customer brought in last year for me to repair. The date code was 1997 and it sounded like it was the first heating element replacement it had needed in that time. I thought the one side/two side heating element switch was particularly clever.

Honestly I was just impressed that the parts were available. Most consumer-grade toasters use nearly-identical mechanisms, with zero available replacement parts (maybe a crumb tray if you're lucky).

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by imiric »

addicted wrote: post #23

Wait, why did YT remove Ann’s video? She doesn’t show how it’s done. She just shows, through drawings, how dangerous it is. WTF Yiutube.

Google takes 45% of YouTube's advertising revenue. Videos criticizing their most popular channels directly impact their profits. The company doesn't care about protecting content consumers, it only cares about their customers (advertisers) and maximizing profits. They tolerate content creators since they actually get them views, but otherwise they would rather run ads 24/7 if people would watch them.

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Post by starwind »

b3morales wrote: post #404
daemin wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"For entertainment only" is such a cop-out, do whatever dangerous thing and show step by step instructions but then slap on a "for entertainment only" on it so you're safe from legal repecussions.

> you're safe from legal repecussions. Not necessarily: no way to tell whether it's sufficient until it actually goes before a court.

Excellent point. As a matter of legal principle in the United States you can't unilaterally disclaim liability for future injuries. Signs that say "not responsible for accidents on these premises" don't hold up when you run a retail store where people are expected to freely to come and go as they please.

More concretely: a perfectly reasonable judge could decide a dangerous step-by-step how-to guide negates the prior "for entertainment purposes only" warning. There's a reason Jackass frequently had skull-and-crossbone warnings and didn't show much of their set up, just the results

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Post by drewzero1 »

bee_rider wrote: post #394
ip26 wrote: post #262

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It's a fun idea, but I must say I have discovered quite by chance that an inexpensive toaster oven is the tool for this job - as well as countless other jobs. Not just toasting bruschetta - it's secretly a $60 patio oven, opening the door to things like baking fish mid-July without heating or smelling up the house.

Yeah I'm pretty confused as to why people are suggesting all toasters with super-dupe sandwich cage thingies. Why care about the orientation of your food while it is toasting?

It's easier to evenly heat a vertical slice of bread, for one. Most times I've used a toaster oven I've ended up with one side cooked much more than the other. Plus a horizontal toaster oven takes up a lot more counter/cabinet space, which is at a premium in a lot of kitchens. (I don't have a fancy toaster or fancy sandwich accessories, but I do really like the idea of multiple-use appliances.)

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by scotty79 »

masterbee wrote: post #253
HideousKojima wrote: post #50

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I had one the other week where I was replacing an outlet in the kitchen. I flipped the kitchen breaker and the lights and appliances all turned off. I skipped the important step of actually testing the outlet and stupidly assumed it no longer had power. Turns out it was on a different circuit from the rest of the kitchen. The outlet was stuck in the wall box so I reached a flathead screwdriver in to try and pry it ou…

I have one even better, just to show how you can't be sure... Replacing an outlet. Shut off the 2-pole breaker for the shared-neutral circuit it was on. Outlet tester showed the outlet was off. Pull the receptacle out. Used a multimeter to test each wire contact to ground; all were 0v. Only when I disconnected all the wires did one of them develop potential because somebody had apparently tied a neutral wire to a hot…

When I'm working with home circuits I use indicator screwdriver all the time and I'm touching everyting metal with it at every step of the way.

I'm very rarely surprised with what happens but it still happens occasionally.

For example today I was surprised when RCD tripped when I shorted ground and neutral on a circuit that was disconnected by its own breaker.

I had to think for a brief moment to understand that yeah, it's perfectly reasonable that this happened and no, I'm not in any danger.

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