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Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by mrtksn » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 3:26 PM UTC

framapotari wrote: post #370

mrtksn wrote: post #335

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Depending on your dictatorship, it will be different everywhere. In free countries you just broadcast. It's like the right to eat pancakes, it's not specifically regulated. Of course there are rules of what you are allowed to do or not, for example you can't broadcast in specific frequencies because those are licensed and if you like to do that you need to purchase a license. If you broadcast using loudspeakers, you…

> In free countries you just broadcast Sure, and anyone who is banned on YouTube can still "just broadcast". Their rights were not harmed in any way. To borrow your analogy, you may have the right to eat pancakes but you don't have the right to eat at IHOP. You can be banned from every pancake selling diner in town yet you can still eat pancakes. No one has stopped you from eating pancakes.

I can't agree with this one. Due to the different nature of the mediums(radio waves v.s. internet platform) you can't just broadcast because unlike radio waves Youtube will refuse to carry your signal. That's why I advocate for Youtube be impartial to the content and carry whatever the users put in it. If there's a problem with the content, let it be solved by the parties impacted.

Again, unlike radio, with internet platforms each platform is in its own reality. With radio, when you broadcast your signal reaches everyone indiscriminately. On the internet you broadcast into platforms as if they are different universes with different populations.

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by teruakohatu » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 3:27 PM UTC

t_mann wrote: post #274

pornel wrote: post #10

There is a massive YouTube and Instagram industry of outright faking craft and cooking tips. They're not just bad or a stretch, they're intentionally fabricated, made at scale by TheSoul Publishing with 550 employees. That's because making cool things looking surprisingly easy goes viral way better than actual reality-grounded instructions, and for the adtech giants nothing matters except the number of clicks. Before…

Scary. I recently did some research into what's behind the 'Jungle Builders' channels (two guys pretending to build flashy, but completely dysfunctional, pools somewhere in a forest with little more than their hands as tools). Seems to be a similar scheme, it doesn't invite viewers to recreate, but they leave a lot of litter and moscito-infested concrete pits behind. Most of them are actually in the same tiny forest…

There is a whole genre of people building "by hand" underground pools and other crazy structures in the jungles. Aside from being terribly unsafe, if you look closely you can often see marks in the dirt from machine tools that they forgot to smooth away in the soft clay.

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by growt » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 3:27 PM UTC

InitialLastName wrote: post #352

logifail wrote: post #21

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> Before people realize that they can't really make a 3-layer cake in a toaster Our 12-year-old recently tried to make himself "cheese on toast" by putting both cheese and uncooked bread into the (almost brand new, upright) toaster. Aaargh! Cue the house full of smoke, a stern reprimand, then a couple of hours of my time wasted on removing every last piece of burnt greasy cheese from inside the toaster, followed by s…

> a couple of hours of my time wasted on removing every last piece of burnt greasy cheese from inside the toaster I'm not (currently) a parent, so this may be off base, but I am currently in the crunch part of the process so looking to learn: Is there not a better opportunity for this to be a learning experience by making it a couple of hours of your kid's time to do that cleaning? I know my adult life has benefited…

As cleaning a toaster most likely involves sticking things into it (like a brush, maybe even a knife to scrape off the burnt stuff) and you also don't want your kids to stick stuff (especially metal) into a toaster, I'd say it's safer to skip the "elbow grease" lesson in this special case.

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 3:28 PM UTC

chrisjc wrote: post #313

CM30 wrote: post #32

YouTube's moderation is ridiculous, and it demonstrates the problem Google has in general. They don't like paying actual people to moderate their sites, and rely on automated systems and bots to do everything for them. So, if there's ever an issue (or you have a bunch of scammers mass reporting you because you debunk their 'work'), then YouTube/Google seems to think you're the problem instead of the scumbags. We need…

The "moderation" for Shorts is just spectacular! And I don't mean good. The amount of back-to-back "Hi I'm Elon Musk and I'm something something bitcoin something something..." deepfakes is astounding. There are a handful that are seemingly pixel for pixel identical, yet as much as you report them over and over again, they only seem to shown more and more. Then there are the countless sexually inappropriate ones that…

Okay, so assorted cryptocurrency scams have obvious financial incentives, and I assume the sexual ones are trying to get people onto a paid site. What's driving the animal gore videos? I can't think that there's anything to sell there; is it just people uploading stuff for the shock value?

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by scarecrowbob » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 3:28 PM UTC

logifail wrote: post #21

pornel wrote: post #10

There is a massive YouTube and Instagram industry of outright faking craft and cooking tips. They're not just bad or a stretch, they're intentionally fabricated, made at scale by TheSoul Publishing with 550 employees. That's because making cool things looking surprisingly easy goes viral way better than actual reality-grounded instructions, and for the adtech giants nothing matters except the number of clicks. Before…

> Before people realize that they can't really make a 3-layer cake in a toaster Our 12-year-old recently tried to make himself "cheese on toast" by putting both cheese and uncooked bread into the (almost brand new, upright) toaster. Aaargh! Cue the house full of smoke, a stern reprimand, then a couple of hours of my time wasted on removing every last piece of burnt greasy cheese from inside the toaster, followed by s…

As annoying as that is, these kinds of events are very helpful for young folks.

That's how we learn.

I still do dumb stuff all the time, it's just more complicated dumb stuff :D

But at least it is complicated and -novel- dumb stuff.

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by Arrath » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 3:30 PM UTC

Tao3300 wrote: post #175

Gigachad wrote: post #16

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Just the other day youtube suggested me this cutsie "what to do with old microwaves" video that just had the corporate jingle music over a video of a guy building various things out of microwave transformers without any kind of narration or warning of the danger. Considering people are actually dying trying these microwave tricks, this is no longer a theoretical concern. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2UfglFeOH8 (m…

the dryness of the top comment is perfect > Remember, if you've got lathes and welders and assorted tools and materials, don't throw out an old microwave because you can use part of it to make a wire hot.

Child me figured out how to make a wire hot with a 9v battery. Why fuck with a HV transformer.

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by iSnow » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 3:33 PM UTC

InitialLastName wrote: post #352

logifail wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Before people realize that they can't really make a 3-layer cake in a toaster Our 12-year-old recently tried to make himself "cheese on toast" by putting both cheese and uncooked bread into the (almost brand new, upright) toaster. Aaargh! Cue the house full of smoke, a stern reprimand, then a couple of hours of my time wasted on removing every last piece of burnt greasy cheese from inside the toaster, followed by s…

> a couple of hours of my time wasted on removing every last piece of burnt greasy cheese from inside the toaster I'm not (currently) a parent, so this may be off base, but I am currently in the crunch part of the process so looking to learn: Is there not a better opportunity for this to be a learning experience by making it a couple of hours of your kid's time to do that cleaning? I know my adult life has benefited…

Yes and no. Punishing your kid for some dumb but innocent action has the potential to make them too cautious. Additionally, they might damage the toaster because they have no experience on how to properly open and clean it and that would make things much worse. That's especially true if your kid might be neuro-divergent - e.g. kids with ADHD tend to be clumsy but cannot help it, they might be 30% behind in motor coordination. So your 12yo might have the eye-hand coordination of a 7-8yo, and I would not let a kid that age clean a toaster on their own.

IMO, the best course of action would be to not ridicule or reprimand them but explain how this wasn't the best course of action and then clean the toaster together with the kid - that way they learn how to do it and don't feel like an idiot. And you don't have to fume over what your kid did wrong but spend some time together.

Obviously, if your kid actually IS dumb and reckless, things would be different.

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by hedora » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 3:33 PM UTC

SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #354

rocqua wrote: post #264

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The idea is also that pressing the power button will also help discharge some capacitors as the power-supply tries to supply power. Not sure to which degree this works to make things safer, but trying it won't hurt. (Note this will _not_ make a powersupply safe to open up)

Unlikely to have effect on a PC. On a dumb device where the power button is part of the actual circuit, let’s say an old radio this will work. On a PC, the power button isn’t hooked to anything but the chipset or some micro or an upstream circuit that tries to start a micro. Which means to have any effect, that processor needs to be executing code, or needs to have enough power to start the chipset itself. Both of th…

It definitely kicks the power light on for a bit under a second on my 2010 era desktop. The (high end, low wattage) power supply is delivering enough voltage to keep the motherboard power controller up.

I have no idea if it discharges all the different voltage rails. I don't like having the fans try to spin up while I'm mucking about, and it stops that from happening.

Of course, from an equipment damage perspective, grounding yourself to the case ground is much more important than discharing the PSU capacitors.

I usually physically unplug the computer, push the power button, then open / touch the case (I'm in a humid climate).

I've never had an issue (ignorging fires, but those happened when the computers were intentionally energized).

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by xxs » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 3:39 PM UTC

tarsinge wrote: post #327

xxs wrote: post #195

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It's the Ohm's law: V=IR. Amps (I) kill you but your body has rather high resistance, at least kilohms (even when wet), and it depends on the voltage partly. So low voltage even with high amps current do nothing to you.

And the corollary is high voltage with low amps do nothing to you too, neither amps nor voltage kill you alone.

The issue is that low voltage is guaranteed not to shock, can burn of course.

High voltage is inherently dangerous.

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by duskwuff » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 3:41 PM UTC

hattmall wrote: post #139

pornel wrote: post #10

There is a massive YouTube and Instagram industry of outright faking craft and cooking tips. They're not just bad or a stretch, they're intentionally fabricated, made at scale by TheSoul Publishing with 550 employees. That's because making cool things looking surprisingly easy goes viral way better than actual reality-grounded instructions, and for the adtech giants nothing matters except the number of clicks. Before…

What I don't understand is the posting of these videos on Facebook by seemingly fake accounts. I'm in a bunch of yard sale groups and random unrelated accounts are constantly posting these hack and engineering type videos that are like 20 seconds of 50 different useless things with no explanations or other information. There's no ads displayed, there's nothing being sold or promoted and no links or way to find out mo…

> Does anyone else experience this? How are they making money or why is this being done?

I suspect these are trying to build reputation for the account posting them. The bizarre, inexplicable videos will get watched by a lot of users wondering WTF they are, which may cause further content posted by those accounts to be ranked higher in feeds.