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Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by tzs » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 2:39 PM UTC

HideousKojima wrote: post #50

exar0815 wrote: post #8

When I was young and stupid, I did this. Suddenly felt some tingling sensation in my fingers, threw the leads away and jumped back. Most certainly saved my life and drilled in my head how dangerous it is. Still get a sinking feeling in my stomach whenever I am at some switching station below the 380KV leads, remembering that day. Especially after knowing people who got into 120KV, and what happened to them... Electri…

I had one the other week where I was replacing an outlet in the kitchen. I flipped the kitchen breaker and the lights and appliances all turned off. I skipped the important step of actually testing the outlet and stupidly assumed it no longer had power. Turns out it was on a different circuit from the rest of the kitchen. The outlet was stuck in the wall box so I reached a flathead screwdriver in to try and pry it ou…

> The outlet was stuck in the wall box so I reached a flathead screwdriver in to try and pry it out, and turned my screwdriver into an arc welder for a second.

I've got a screwdriver that incorporates a non-contact AC current sensor. Mine is a Gardner Bender SDT-354 [1] that I think I bought at Home Depot or Lowe's.

When the current sensor is turned on if you bring the tip of the screwdriver near a live AC wire an LED in the handle starts rapidly blinking and a beeper starts rapidly beeping.

It once may have saved me from a nasty shock. I have an outdoor light over the garage that is controlled by a light sensor, and the light sensor was going bad. It would turn the light on when it got dark but not turn it off in the morning. So I'd flip the breaker for that light off and then back on every morning.

When morning when I went to open the electrical panel in the garage I got a shock from the panel door. I went in and got the current sensing screwdriver and went back to the garage to see if I could get an idea of what the heck was going on.

As soon as I stepped into the garage the screwdriver started blinking and beeping. A little experimenting showed it would go off anywhere in the front half of the garage that was more than about a meter above the floor.

It turned out that the metal garage doors and the metal rails their rollers rolled on and the metal tracks the garage door openers pulled the doors on were all connected to live AC.

I got the fuck out of there and called an electrician.

What happened was that in the shed next to the garage that houses my well some critter had chewed through some of the insulation on some of the wiring for powering the well pump. I'm not sure how but that somehow made the cover and door of the electrical panel and all those metal parts of my garage door system electrified, but without stopping the well pump from receiving power.

[1] https://www.amazon.com/Circuit-Alert-Blade-Screw-Driver/dp/B...

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by samizdis » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 2:39 PM UTC

bityard wrote: post #263

samizdis wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At the risk of sounding like a salesperson, I'd like to mention a feature of basic/classic Dualit toasters - namely, the optional and elegantly simple sandwich cage. [1] The cage is designed to take two slices of bread with a filling (in my usage, always heavy on the cheese). You put this into the toaster slot, which is vertical, and safely make cheese/whatever toasties. So, your 12-year-old had the right idea, but n…

I've been looking for a toaster that works as well as the ones made 60 years ago. And for once, a marketing page has me convinced to pry open my wallet. But there is no link or button anywhere on the page that tells me how to buy one. :(

In the UK, you can find Dualit stuff in stores that have a kitchen appliance section (John Lewis, say). I've seen them in shops in Germany and the Czech Republic, too. Not sure where you're based, though. Mind you, there is a little shopping trolley icon at the top right corner of the page ...

Or the site map has "shop" listed:

https://www.dualit.com/products

Don't know if that's international or just UK. A basic search shows Dualit stuff at Target and Home Depot, though. Amazon, too.

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by framapotari » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 2:40 PM UTC

mrtksn wrote: post #247

framapotari wrote: post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where did the police come in? We were talking about Youtube selecting what to make available on their platform. Is that analogous to the police stifling your speech in your view?

Yes, it is in the same effect due to the ubiquity of the platform. IMHO, platforms with that significant user base should be regulated as utility.

You don't want private entities making decisions on what content they host on their platforms, but you do want the government to make that decision (host everything) and force those private entities to abide by that decision under threat of penalty? And that is how we avoid dictatorships in your view?

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by xanaxagoras » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 2:41 PM UTC

logifail wrote: post #21

pornel wrote: post #10

There is a massive YouTube and Instagram industry of outright faking craft and cooking tips. They're not just bad or a stretch, they're intentionally fabricated, made at scale by TheSoul Publishing with 550 employees. That's because making cool things looking surprisingly easy goes viral way better than actual reality-grounded instructions, and for the adtech giants nothing matters except the number of clicks. Before…

> Before people realize that they can't really make a 3-layer cake in a toaster Our 12-year-old recently tried to make himself "cheese on toast" by putting both cheese and uncooked bread into the (almost brand new, upright) toaster. Aaargh! Cue the house full of smoke, a stern reprimand, then a couple of hours of my time wasted on removing every last piece of burnt greasy cheese from inside the toaster, followed by s…

> then a couple of hours of my time wasted on removing every last piece of burnt greasy cheese from inside the toaster

Should have been a couple of hours of his time

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by framapotari » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 2:42 PM UTC

mrtksn wrote: post #256

framapotari wrote: post #225

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If someone is dying because of a video, the fix is not in removal of the video It might not be 'the' fix but it could be 'a' fix. If your interest is preventing deaths that is.

Many things can be a fix to many problems. Listening devices at homes can be a fix to domestic violence for example. The point is, for "a fix" of an issue we are trading things and I don't find it a good trade. Total unchallenged censorship is ot a good compromise to "save the kids".

I don't think a private company choosing what they host on their platform is total unchallenged censorship. With such a vast gap in understanding of terms I don't think discussion will get us anywhere.

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by fendy3002 » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 2:42 PM UTC

aaronmdjones wrote: post #236

fendy3002 wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No matter how many times I see someone changing computer parts while the power is still connected, if I'm doing it I always unplug the power then pressing the power button to ensure it's unpowered

You won't get hurt working on a live computer unless your power supply is dangerously engineered (stick to well known named brands) or wide open (don't open it up unless it's been unplugged and sitting on a shelf for months) for the same reasons pointed out elsewhere in these comments; the voltage simply isn't high enough. It won't even induce a perceptible amount of current (unless you do something stupid like stick…

Hdd or ssd are hot swappable? thats cool, thanks for sharing.

as for ram I have tried it once and it freeze the pc, I forgot if I have another plugged in or not though.

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by realusername » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 2:42 PM UTC

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #48

CM30 wrote: post #32

YouTube's moderation is ridiculous, and it demonstrates the problem Google has in general. They don't like paying actual people to moderate their sites, and rely on automated systems and bots to do everything for them. So, if there's ever an issue (or you have a bunch of scammers mass reporting you because you debunk their 'work'), then YouTube/Google seems to think you're the problem instead of the scumbags. We need…

> We need things to change here. We need Google to moderate their services properly, Human moderation isn’t perfectly consistent, either. It would be extraordinarily expensive to expect YouTube to have humans moderate everything manually. What are people willing to give up in exchange for a human-moderated version of YouTube? Would we be okay if they charged a $3 “moderation fee” on every upload to cover the cost of…

> Human moderation isn’t perfectly consistent, either. It would be extraordinarily expensive to expect YouTube to have humans moderate everything manually.

Those aren't just random channels though, they are top youtube channels, surely they can manage to review the most popular ones at least...

And we're talking about tips which can make people die if they follow them, that's the most clear cut case, there's nothing opinion based.

There's just no excuses there.

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by jermaustin1 » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 2:42 PM UTC

mikestew wrote: post #197

guggleet wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dunno, I have used both since I was like 13. Also, we used to weld and do all sorts of things (acetylene torching, lathe, casting, grinding, sawing, milling) mostly unsupervised with very little instruction in middle/high school metal shop. I don't remember any accidents.

Hello, Mr. or Ms. Survivor Bias! I used to cut firewood with my father using a 3 foot buzz saw made over 100 years ago*, and had but only the most token of safety guards (ignore the giant power take-off belt that's just waiting to consume some of your loose clothing, and you with it), yet I still have all limbs, fingers, and toes! And yet I still think it asinine to shrug shoulders and say, "I dunno, nobody I know ev…

Speaking of a 3 foot buzz saw, my grandpa is rebuilding a sawmill with a 54-inch blade powered by a 1990's corvette engine. Fairly certain someone is going to get hurt on that one.

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by dantyti » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 2:42 PM UTC

logifail wrote: post #21

pornel wrote: post #10

There is a massive YouTube and Instagram industry of outright faking craft and cooking tips. They're not just bad or a stretch, they're intentionally fabricated, made at scale by TheSoul Publishing with 550 employees. That's because making cool things looking surprisingly easy goes viral way better than actual reality-grounded instructions, and for the adtech giants nothing matters except the number of clicks. Before…

> Before people realize that they can't really make a 3-layer cake in a toaster Our 12-year-old recently tried to make himself "cheese on toast" by putting both cheese and uncooked bread into the (almost brand new, upright) toaster. Aaargh! Cue the house full of smoke, a stern reprimand, then a couple of hours of my time wasted on removing every last piece of burnt greasy cheese from inside the toaster, followed by s…

I was that 12-year-old. My brain still works this way when tackling novel problems.

If I may suggest, instead of reprimands (I'd imagine your kid knows they'd messed up and won't try this experiment again), use these situations to teach your child about forming hypotheses, questioning assumptions and doing reality checks before starting an experiment.

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by queuebert » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 2:43 PM UTC

logifail wrote: post #21

pornel wrote: post #10

There is a massive YouTube and Instagram industry of outright faking craft and cooking tips. They're not just bad or a stretch, they're intentionally fabricated, made at scale by TheSoul Publishing with 550 employees. That's because making cool things looking surprisingly easy goes viral way better than actual reality-grounded instructions, and for the adtech giants nothing matters except the number of clicks. Before…

> Before people realize that they can't really make a 3-layer cake in a toaster Our 12-year-old recently tried to make himself "cheese on toast" by putting both cheese and uncooked bread into the (almost brand new, upright) toaster. Aaargh! Cue the house full of smoke, a stern reprimand, then a couple of hours of my time wasted on removing every last piece of burnt greasy cheese from inside the toaster, followed by s…

Did he learn it from YouTube or some other social media?

If so, why is he on there unsupervised?