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YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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> Just as with the real world, people need to develop the right habits to stay safe. Just as with the real world, you don't have a right to a broadcasting platform for anything you wish.

You actually have that right in any sane country. The limitations are on the frequency you can broadcast or the volume if you do your broadcast through sound systems. Actually, only on extremely crazy dictatorships you will have police storming you before you finish your broadcast. On most places, you can be sued but the police wont try to silence you as if your words are a spell.

Where did the police come in? We were talking about Youtube selecting what to make available on their platform. Is that analogous to the police stifling your speech in your view?

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

#232
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That's a super wasteful solution to this. The toaster is perfectly salvageable.

So drop it off at a salvage location. OP was complaining about salvaging it, like it was necessary. If you want to do is as a fun personal project, go for it, but it is wasteful of human time to salvage something that cheap rather than add it to a scrap pile for a professional salvage company to process in bulk. As a bonus, the kid learns that if you arent careful with your items they may break and be gone. you dont…

The salvaging actually helped the learning experience immensely - shows the kid that carelessness can have lasting consequences.

Replacing the toaster and yelling 'We had to spend $X to get a new one now!' will be forgotten by the end of the day.

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

#233

Imperfect moderation is inevitable at the massive scale of social media companies. YouTube receives an enormous quantity of video every day and it’s clearly impossible to have humans review all of it. If we humans did review every single minute of video, the subjective element of moderation would still lead to headlines like this where someone could identify instances of inconsistencies. Given that she re-uploaded th…

> Imperfect moderation is inevitable at the massive scale of social media companies. YouTube receives an enormous quantity of video every day and it’s clearly impossible to have humans review all of it.

Yes, this is the root of the content tech boom of the last 20 years: we’ll cut corners to make publishing and distribution as cheap as possible and displace the remaining cost to third-parties (advertisers, data buyers) so that nobody actually involved in the content has any accountability.

And the negative consequences of this approach are rapidly becoming clear to society. We’ll be spending the next 20 years trying to bring those consequences back in line with our values and societal needs.

It’s like technical debt, but for societal projects instead of engineering projects.

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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So drop it off at a salvage location. OP was complaining about salvaging it, like it was necessary. If you want to do is as a fun personal project, go for it, but it is wasteful of human time to salvage something that cheap rather than add it to a scrap pile for a professional salvage company to process in bulk. As a bonus, the kid learns that if you arent careful with your items they may break and be gone. you dont…

Seems better to teach the children to value their possessions.

What better way to teach that than have them understand if they dont respect the way something is supposed to be used, they might break it?

Could be fun to sit with them and take apart the toaster and assess it together and see if its worth cleaning or replacing and explaining why. But I wouldnt spend 2+ hours cleaning it by myself and then complaining about it

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

#235

Why is this so hard for these massive companies? A single reasonable person can make better decisions than this.

A person is smart, people are dumb. - Agent KA, Men in Black (https://quotes.yourdictionary.com/author/quote/127467)

See also, "None of us is as dumb as all of us." (https://despair.com/products/meetings?variant=4375841505301)

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Every electrician I have met, has had some kind of shock in their career. Mostly it is a small induced current issue, which can easily kill you if it knocks you off a ladder....

No matter how many times I see someone changing computer parts while the power is still connected, if I'm doing it I always unplug the power then pressing the power button to ensure it's unpowered

You won't get hurt working on a live computer unless your power supply is dangerously engineered (stick to well known named brands) or wide open (don't open it up unless it's been unplugged and sitting on a shelf for months) for the same reasons pointed out elsewhere in these comments; the voltage simply isn't high enough. It won't even induce a perceptible amount of current (unless you do something stupid like stick your tongue on it), much less a harmful amount.

You'd be surprised at all the stuff you can get away with on a live computer. For example, did you know that AHCI (SATA) and PCIe (and thus NVMe) are both hot-pluggable and hot-swappable? ... and that you can hotswap RAM (with a cooperating motherboard and OS) and even CPUs (on multi-socket boards)?

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

#237

Imperfect moderation is inevitable at the massive scale of social media companies. YouTube receives an enormous quantity of video every day and it’s clearly impossible to have humans review all of it. If we humans did review every single minute of video, the subjective element of moderation would still lead to headlines like this where someone could identify instances of inconsistencies. Given that she re-uploaded th…

> YouTube receives an enormous quantity of video every day and it’s clearly impossible to have humans review all of it

But not all of that content gets picked by the algorithm to be shown to millions of people.

They don’t have to manually check everything. But if they are considering putting something at the top of their homepage for a large number of people, would it kill them to have someone give the content a once over to see if it might be dangerous?

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

#238
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When I was young and stupid, I did this. Suddenly felt some tingling sensation in my fingers, threw the leads away and jumped back. Most certainly saved my life and drilled in my head how dangerous it is. Still get a sinking feeling in my stomach whenever I am at some switching station below the 380KV leads, remembering that day. Especially after knowing people who got into 120KV, and what happened to them... Electri…

I had one the other week where I was replacing an outlet in the kitchen. I flipped the kitchen breaker and the lights and appliances all turned off. I skipped the important step of actually testing the outlet and stupidly assumed it no longer had power. Turns out it was on a different circuit from the rest of the kitchen. The outlet was stuck in the wall box so I reached a flathead screwdriver in to try and pry it ou…

It amazes me how often strange anomolies slip through safety procedures. I use a voltmeter to check before working on wiring, and like you, have still managed to grab a live wire more than once. Last time, it was a situation much as yours - had the breaker off for the circuit I was certain I was working. And I checked with the voltmeter. But like a damned fool, I only checked the hot to ground voltage, and not the neutral to ground, or hot to neutral. Yep, you guessed it - the outlet was on a circuit for a different room, and was miswired in a junction box, reversing neutral and hot. I got the full benefit of the 120v. Fortunately, standing on a dry wooden floor in rubber soled shoes, I was a lousy path to ground, but still a dangerous situation I have no desire to repeat.

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

#239

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> For example, if someone is posting about something harmful the videos should remain and the person who does that should face the consequences. Ok, so now a video is up and people are tricked by it and injure themselves in the process. Some people die. Is that an acceptable cost? Does your solution make any considerations for ongoing harm?

> Some people die. Is that an acceptable cost? Does your solution make any considerations for ongoing harm? You talk as if this isn't exactly what happened in the current framework of private censorship. Even if abolishing private censorship would cause the scenario you outlined, that wouldn't be worse than the current situation and at least you'd solve the problem of pointless censorship.

> Even if abolishing private censorship would cause the scenario you outlined, that wouldn't be worse than the current situation

This seems like a statement with nothing behind it but your confidence that it is truth. I believe that could be much worse than the current situation.

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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We had an employee who once tried cooking bacon in a toaster oven and it caught on fire. Filled the office with smoke, so it happens.

Well then this employee must've done it wrong, because I cook bacon in my toaster over (and now an air fryer) all the time. However, you do need a tray on which the bacon sits, which was perhaps your employee's mistake.

Are people using the word toaster to refer to two different appliances in this thread? In American English a toaster is a device that holds bread vertically between heating elements. There's a similarly named device called a toaster oven which is essentially a standard electric oven that's been shrunk down to countertop size.
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