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Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘domino effect’

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Re: Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘domino effect’

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Post by grasshopperpurp »

kennyadam wrote: post #13
selfmodruntime wrote: post #3

I think the legalization of cannabis in Europe has a lot of potential. I just wish that we would take measures to avoid the ever increasing levels of THC dosage in weed to insane levels, like you see in the US or California specifically. I firmly believe that cannabis can do a lot of good, but the poison is in the dosage. It has been shown in the past that increasing THC while decreasing CBD leads to an increase in n…

Strongly agree. As the THC percentage has increased, so has my anxiety when I smoke it. If I go out of my way to find lower quality weed, I enjoy it much more.

Anecdote: I've never seen someone suffer anxiety from an Indica strain, but I have seen plenty of bad trips from Sativa strains.

Medical is legal where I live, and I like both (and hybrids) depending on what I'm doing. In the evening, I would stick to Indicas and Indica-dominant hybrids. Since I work, and I never use while working, I use Sativas far less, but I like them for weekends - walks, chores, etc.. It's a bright feeling and more of a head-high, but under the wrong circumstances, that bright feeling turns dark.

Particularly in the evening, Sativas can make you buzzy and unsettled. My gf thought she hated herbs until she tried Indicas. She knows how and when to use now, so she can enjoy Sativas under the right conditions.

Again, this is just my personal experience, but it tracks with my understanding of the strains, and I hope it's helpful to someone.

Re: Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘domino effect’

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Post by Dobbs »

tommit wrote: post #122
htkibar wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In all fairness, it isn't like we want people to come as tourists here to smoke weed or something so should be fine no? For anyone else wanting to know more about the Dutch policy on this: https://www.government.nl/topics/drugs/toleration-policy-reg...

Quick question for our Dutch neighbors: why not? I never understood why it is exactly that The Netherlands were kind of against the drug tourism. I mean, I'm sure your average pot head tourist is not that much trouble and leaves quite a bit of money, no? I studied in The Netherlands and always thought I'd be proud as a country to be that "progressive" in a sense -- especially once it became clear that other countries…

Amsterdam has lots of issues with tourists that fly in, spend a few days, cause a lot of problems, do a lot of drugs, visit one or two high profile tourist destianations (which puts an oversized burden on these few places), and then fly out.

Instead Amsterdam wants to court tourists who fly in, spend a week or two, go to many tourist destinations, spend a bit more money at many locations. It spreads it around the city/country, does less wear and tear to a few places, and makes the locals lives much nicer.

Re: Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘domino effect’

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Post by Shadonototra »

bmicraft wrote: post #133
Shadonototra wrote: post #76

This is the worst idea ever The American lobby strikes again, they now control the whole industry and let their domestic market grow for years, they are ready to use EU as their market, yet again On top of making their population even more dumb What a sad and funest faith for Europe

You think Germany, a country that already grows weed for medical purposes, will start importing massive amounts of weed from outside the EU?

EU used to make many things, it also used to have a strong telecom industry ;)

Re: Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘domino effect’

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Post by MauranKilom »

InefficientRed wrote: post #184
MauranKilom wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Ethanol is naturally occurring. That's... decidedly not true. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95DPkPW5_PE

>> Ethanol is naturally occurring. > That's... decidedly not true. > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95DPkPW5_PE [link to video of animals becoming intoxicated on rotting fruit] I'm confused. Perhaps you read this as "isn't"?

Indeed I did. Apologies!

Re: Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘domino effect’

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Post by saiya-jin »

snarfy wrote: post #109
selfmodruntime wrote: post #3

I think the legalization of cannabis in Europe has a lot of potential. I just wish that we would take measures to avoid the ever increasing levels of THC dosage in weed to insane levels, like you see in the US or California specifically. I firmly believe that cannabis can do a lot of good, but the poison is in the dosage. It has been shown in the past that increasing THC while decreasing CBD leads to an increase in n…

When I lived in Arizona before it was legal, the vast majority of weed came from Mexico. A quarter pound cost $200 and was a mix of male and female plants, full of seeds, grown in fields. I was a daily user for about 20 years. I moved to coastal state where it was legal. Now it's all hydroponically grown, all female and all seedless. I was a daily user for about 12 years and had to completely stop using it. It would…

Maybe I am off, but when drawing from my 25 years of consumption and trying most of variants - outdoor, indoor, low potency, extreme dutch ones and everything in between, local hash in morocco, india and nepal, homemade milk, cookies, vaping and oil vaping; eating and oil vaping are most potent to me, joint least potent and I avoid them if possible.

I don't like eating due to very long ramp up and it last for too long for casual evening, it may be great summer weekend festival item.

What I want to say - even most potent oil vapes regardless of sativa/indica/cbd mix, it was just about dosage. 1 hit was a pleasant light trip, 2 was a nice strong one, 3 really strong but manageable for simple stuff. I once had 6 draws while walking in village & forest - I really went far away form this reality, hypnotizing street lights, dancing on empty streets. Couldn't trust myself which normally never ever happens on weed. It ended up OK somehow but oh boy beware.

If one doesn't have any self control, it may cause issue - till it hits you fully (which is cca 5 mins with vape oil, unlike ie joint/pipe which is almost immediate), you may have already taken too much. But that would be the problem with hard alcohol too, there its more like 30 mins and we all have seen enough shitfaced folks in our lives who took too many shots too fast.

So education, explanation - potency, indica/sativa mixing, literally learning consumption of cannabis and products. Its not complex but it ain't primitive linear alcohol 'high' (or more like low) regardless of type of drink.

I still consider oil vapes the best product for me, chirurgically precise amount of high, very convenient, and very reproducible once you are familiar with given strain.

Re: Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘domino effect’

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Post by andybak »

numerik_meister wrote: post #74
darkerside wrote: post #55

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s/*/That's interesting. I've never thought about what positive effects there might be. Can you expand?/g

I did not intend to ask a question. I know for sure that a lot of potheads really want to push their recreational drug as a miracle do all drug, while ignoring all the negative effects. The negative effects are well documented science. The positive effects are all vaporous claims from questionable studies. Really goes to show the objectivity of HN, that I get downvoted for this.

Every once in a while you stumble across someone who makes you think "that dude really needs to get high once in a while".

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Post by gallexme »

romanovcode wrote: post #78
abbbi wrote: post #72

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still, you will lose your drivers license. I dont care if it is decriminalized, if i get pulled over and lose my license becuause i used to smoke 4 days ago, theres something wrong. I think this is one of the biggest hurdles to overcome: how to deal with cosumption in regards to roadworthiness

True, I know a guy from Berlin who had exactly same situation. I wonder if you can call a lawyer and refuse to give your hair/urine in this case.

If you refuse, then you under arrest and get driven to the police station where a Amtsarzt(approved police office doctor) will draw your blood and check if you are roadworthy

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Post by andybak »

rainworld wrote: post #154
iinnPP wrote: post #98

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US prisons are absolutely packed with young marijuana dealers/users with effectively lifetime sentences. Many of them are truly good people.

A small fraction is in for possession only, and even that is misleading considering the prevalence of plea deals and career criminals.

When I was younger, a lot of my friends sold the occasional bit of pot. As far as I know the vast majority of them are productive members of society nowadays.

Re: Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘domino effect’

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Post by aikah »

It's crazy we are still having these kind of debates in Europe. 20 years ago most youth around 18/20 thought Cannabis would have already been legalised by now, I don't believe one second that any of the European elected official under 50 never smoked pot. The only possible explanation I see is heavy lobbying from big pharma groups or wine interests.

Re: Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘domino effect’

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Post by [deleted] »

wishfish wrote: post #26
selfmodruntime wrote: post #3

I think the legalization of cannabis in Europe has a lot of potential. I just wish that we would take measures to avoid the ever increasing levels of THC dosage in weed to insane levels, like you see in the US or California specifically. I firmly believe that cannabis can do a lot of good, but the poison is in the dosage. It has been shown in the past that increasing THC while decreasing CBD leads to an increase in n…

Do weed shops in legal states not have "light" options? Seems weird if they didn't, but I guess that might be a side effect of recent legalization. That the heavy stuff sells better to consumers who used to take whatever they could find back in the black market days. Anyways, I'm asking because I unfortunately live in a state where it's still illegal.

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