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Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘domino effect’

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Re: Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘domino effect’

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While I have no interest in weed, I never understood why people are against it, since cigarettes are also a drug and are far more damaging to heath and the economy, and in the US kills a couple hundred thousand folks a year, or alcohol, which is a drug, and kills tens of thousands of people a year. Eliminating illegality would save in so many ways, and taxes could help offset other taxes. But no, weed is somehow more…

What if I'm against weed, cigarettes and alcohol?

Then don't use them.

Re: Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘domino effect’

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I was told so from a credible source a couple years ago. What I can recall: legalisation would entail complex legal work, to a degree where that option is essentially not on the table. This is supported by the fact that "Legalisierung" is not part of the political language wrt topic, instead they refer to "Kontrollierte Abgabe" (~'controlled distribution').

So just because it is complex it won't get done? That sounds rather defeatist to me.

That's how an awful lot of German politics works.

Source: am German, am pissed off beyond belief about a lot of things in politics, especially the lack of will to just move forward and do something instead of debating all day.

Re: Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘domino effect’

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This is the worst idea ever The American lobby strikes again, they now control the whole industry and let their domestic market grow for years, they are ready to use EU as their market, yet again On top of making their population even more dumb What a sad and funest faith for Europe

You think Germany, a country that already grows weed for medical purposes, will start importing massive amounts of weed from outside the EU?

Re: Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘domino effect’

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I wonder how alcohol would look of people were so incompetent that they would drink vodka by the pint, like beer! Seriously, if you smoke a joint of high-grade then you're doing it wrong.

> Seriously, if you smoke a joint of high-grade then you're doing it wrong. I've met people who prefer smoking joints over other smoking methods. Sometimes I like to have a joint, also. Why are we wrong?

Why are you right?

It's probably best if you don't do anything that could be potentially harmful.

Re: Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘domino effect’

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While I have no interest in weed, I never understood why people are against it, since cigarettes are also a drug and are far more damaging to heath and the economy, and in the US kills a couple hundred thousand folks a year, or alcohol, which is a drug, and kills tens of thousands of people a year. Eliminating illegality would save in so many ways, and taxes could help offset other taxes. But no, weed is somehow more…

It's possible to have concerns about it even if alcohol is worse. I think most people are reacting to the "it cures cancer" culture which denies any negative effect.

Personally I've seen weed addiction in close friends and family and it's not pretty. It's slowly poisoning yourself while your life stagnates or falls apart. But they're convinced they're not addicted as you can't get addicted to weed.

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I wonder how alcohol would look of people were so incompetent that they would drink vodka by the pint, like beer! Seriously, if you smoke a joint of high-grade then you're doing it wrong.

Um, seriously, I like smoking joints, but I can't because the shit around these days is so sticky and potent. It's as if the only thing available is vodka, but I'd like a beer. Drinking less vodka doesn't make it a beer. They're completely different things.

Vodka + water.

> but I can't because the shit around these days is so sticky and potent.

And I call BS on this.

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it's not hard to understand that many people enjoy a potent product

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Not everyone is you. Not everyone thinks like you.

A good pre-roll is actually a great experience. It's a 'treat" for many habitual users.

Re: Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘domino effect’

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No, sorry. Study history. Weed was criminalized as a mechanism for white people to control black people, because weed was a Mexican and black person drug when those laws were enacted. It's all in the arguments in favor of the criminalization laws when they were passed. nothing to do with the Protestant Work Ethic. Sorry if the phrase "black person" is offensive, none is meant.

Hmm. Perhaps we studied different histories? As far as I was aware, the criminalization of weed was related to hemp being a competitor to the wood/paper industry. https://greathemp.net/why-hemp-was-banned-in-1937/

> "You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin. And then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities," Ehrlichman said. "We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."

The war on drugs was purely designed to target hippies and people of color [1]. The sooner it is gone on all levels, the better.

[1] https://edition.cnn.com/2016/03/23/politics/john-ehrlichman-...

Re: Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘domino effect’

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> It is through second-hand smoke that people get addicted to a smoked drug before they start using it themselves Eh? No, that's not generally the major concern about passive smoking; not sure where you got that from.

Not being what more people are concerned about does not mean that it does not happen. Although, I'll concede that cannabis is much less addictive compared to tobacco, for which this is how most smokers are made.

Second hand smoke is not how most smokers are made for _any_ drug. Generally that's peer pressure, but I see how those could be mixed up (being around smokers).

Re: Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘domino effect’

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I think the legalization of cannabis in Europe has a lot of potential. I just wish that we would take measures to avoid the ever increasing levels of THC dosage in weed to insane levels, like you see in the US or California specifically. I firmly believe that cannabis can do a lot of good, but the poison is in the dosage. It has been shown in the past that increasing THC while decreasing CBD leads to an increase in n…

While I'm not proposing "doing nothing" about this problem, how much of this is likely to be a "hangover" from prohibition. Based on absolutely no data whatsoever, my instinct would be that demand for high-THC/low-CBD products would decrease as access to cannabis becomes less novel.

Being too high can be really uncomfortable for a lot of people. Some strains produce more unpleasant side effects than others, as well (although people will often react very differently to the same thing, of course). I didn't believe there was any such thing as weed I wouldn't like before I gained legal access. Now I know better.

Perhaps there's been resistance to talking about this much because it's a new freedom and consumers are afraid too much criticism could lead to that freedom being yanked back away. However, I have noticed more conversation about finding the right level of CBD... so I think your instinct may not be far off.

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