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Re: France bans veggie ′steaks,′ ′sausages′ to describe vegetarian products

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Post by comex »

burnished wrote: post #126
kawsper wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> * put them next to the real things Firstly, plant-based products are real things. Secondly, I think a supermarket here in Denmark explained it best: They put the same type of meat-based and plant-based together because that's where customers expect them to be, it's simply easier for the products to be found.

>Secondly, I think a supermarket here in Denmark explained it best: They put the same type of meat-based and plant-based together because that's where customers expect them to be, it's simply easier for the products to be found. This is well and good but I think the parent comment brings up a good point in that the distinguishing characteristic of the product is being minimized in the packaging - this is deceptive, r…

It depends on the brand.

For instance, as someone else noted in this thread, Impossible has clear labeling. [1]

An example of the opposite might be Just Mayo, which is not, in fact, just mayo. In 2015 the FDA sent it a warning letter [2], and it had to adjust its packaging to make it clear that it was a plant-based product, although the name remains.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31941934

[1] https://qz.com/576679/the-fda-decides-that-vegan-just-mayo-i...

Re: France bans veggie ′steaks,′ ′sausages′ to describe vegetarian products

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Post by merry_flame »

wumpus wrote: post #130
mc32 wrote: post #42

Yes, yes! This is common sense. Do not try and ride the coattails of existing products to sell a product that is the opposite of the products it's pretending to be. Be honest. It's an plant-based protein burrito it's not a damned "chik'n burrito" or "sliced cheeze". And don't get me started with the "milks". It's a freaking emulsion oat-grain emulsion, or oat beverage. What's nexy Coca-cola with a white fizzy drink,…

Those "milks" have been called that for 100s of years. Even better, in western Europe, their consumption is linked to the dominant religion.

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Re: France bans veggie ′steaks,′ ′sausages′ to describe vegetarian products

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Post by aembleton »

xdennis wrote: post #28
markstos wrote: post #10

The US meat and dairy industry have asked for similar bans as well. The problem is, consumers aren't actually confused. Different names will used if need be and consumers will continue the trend of reducing their meat consumption for environmental, health, or ethical reasons.

> The problem is, consumers aren't actually confused. Nonsense! I was tricked. They: * make the products look like real sausages and cheese * sell them in the same packages * label them in large letters as the real thing * write "vegan" in small letters * put them next to the real things It's all done to trick people.

What is a real sausage? >80% pork? >50% pork? 20 beef?

There's loads of different amounts of meat in sausages. Does it have to have a certain amopunt from an animal to be real?

Re: France bans veggie ′steaks,′ ′sausages′ to describe vegetarian products

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Post by aembleton »

kjkjadksj wrote: post #43
galago wrote: post #38

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At my local grocery store in Massachusetts, some fake meat products are now displayed in the meat section. The thing is though, they (Beyond, etc.) are sometimes more expensive than meat! In some contexts its considered the premium product, and its also there so people having a barbecue or something can provide an option for non-meat eaters. I don't believe at all that they're trying to trick anyone--its more than th…

Its so ironic because vegetarians I know gag when they walk by the meat and fish section and smell everything raw. Making them go there to get their protein seems a little cruel

Don't you have fridges with everything wrapped in plastic? I would expect the non-meat equivalents to be there alongside those that contain meat. It would be strange to have them at a butcher or a fishmonger counter, but most supermarkets have a fridge of pre-packaged processed meat products with varying quantities of meat and filler.

Re: France bans veggie ′steaks,′ ′sausages′ to describe vegetarian products

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Post by squishy47 »

A lot of the other threads seems to talk about being tricked into buying a vegan product rather than the animal one. To me this seems like regulation is needed in deceptive packaging, not the product naming. Maybe products should have a logo for "contains animal product" as well as the veg/vegan ones? and make it waaaaay bigger, i shouldn't need vision pro max ultra to see those bloody logos!!

Re: France bans veggie ′steaks,′ ′sausages′ to describe vegetarian products

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Post by Doxin »

hintymad wrote: post #66

Why do veg people want to advertise veg products with references to meat? I'd promote the unique or superior taste of my veg stuff, right? I don't want to eat meat in the first place, after all.

In my experience the meat references are mostly referring to the functionality of the product. E.g. if I want to eat a pair of buns with some meat, cheese, salad in between I can simply look for a vegetarian "burger" and know that it's attempting to solve for that exact use-case.

Best example of this I know of is probably the vegetarian hot dogs at ikea. They taste nothing like hot dogs, but boy do they taste great in a hot dog bun with ketchup.

Re: France bans veggie ′steaks,′ ′sausages′ to describe vegetarian products

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Post by stjohnswarts »

squishy47 wrote: post #176

A lot of the other threads seems to talk about being tricked into buying a vegan product rather than the animal one. To me this seems like regulation is needed in deceptive packaging, not the product naming. Maybe products should have a logo for "contains animal product" as well as the veg/vegan ones? and make it waaaaay bigger, i shouldn't need vision pro max ultra to see those bloody logos!!

I think a universal vegan/vegetarian label would be great.

Re: France bans veggie ′steaks,′ ′sausages′ to describe vegetarian products

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Post by stjohnswarts »

kelnos wrote: post #86
k8si wrote: post #53

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I imagine this was probably user error on your part. The vegan cheese is usually on the other end of the grocery store from the real cheese, and also usually says 'vegan' prominently, and also there are only like 2-3 brands that make vegan cheese (Miyoko, Daiya, maybe 1 other?). And vegans still usually have to read the ingredients to make sure. Non-vegans could probably do the same if it were that important.

Ah yes, when something is confusing, blame the user. Classic.

Why let yourself be a victim though? Just admit you fucked up and don't buy it again. Read the label.

Re: France bans veggie ′steaks,′ ′sausages′ to describe vegetarian products

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Post by HermanMartinus »

Ekaros wrote: post #155
hegelstoleit wrote: post #147

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Who the fuck is buying vegan meat and being like "oh I thought this was meat"? Do we seriously need to legislate that? There's no real victim here, it's just a bunch of people who are sour or feel threatened by meat alternatives. It's ridiculous.

I would love to start product line "Beyond Vegan" with tag line of "better than vegan food" with Vegan word being very big. And then have it contain lot of meat. Entirely honest and not in any way misleading marketing. And no vegan should be able to complain.

I think this is misleading in the effect is has. Omnivores still eat non-meat products, but the inverse isn't true and is in-fact pretty fucked up (if the person being deceived believes that eating beef is akin to eating dogs).

I agree that products shouldn't be deceptive, but this is a false dichotomy. More accurately the example should be "Beef Burger", then have it written in small "(dog meat)" as (at least in the West) even meat eaters don't like the idea of eating dogs.

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