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France bans veggie ′steaks,′ ′sausages′ to describe vegetarian products

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Re: France bans veggie ′steaks,′ ′sausages′ to describe vegetarian products

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Not being able to use Sausage is ridiculous. It's a tube of something. It doesn't need to be meat. You already need a qualifier to understand what it's made from.

Yeah, Armenia has sujuk (sausage) and sweet sujuk aka walnut sausage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Churchkhela (Georgia calls it this)

Re: France bans veggie ′steaks,′ ′sausages′ to describe vegetarian products

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post #7

I eat only plant-based foods and actually prefer unique names/spellings for these products. It can be worrying when an ostensibly vegan restaurant sells something that really tastes like meat and the menu says "beef" or whatever.

I ordered chicken wings at a vegan fast food restaurant. I too would have preferred if the name was more specific, even though it’s implied by the context. It was my first time at the restaurant so I specifically asked them to confirm it was vegan. Also some chains/brands do a very poor job labeling their things so that it’s obviously plant-based. For example at Tim Hortons: Farmers wrap=meat based, Harvest wrap=plan…

I wonder if India points to the future of this kind of thing. They have a labelling system that seems to work quite well. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FSSAI_new_labels_for_veg_...

the cute names like farmers/harvest will age really badly i feel like… sounds like committee thinking

Re: France bans veggie ′steaks,′ ′sausages′ to describe vegetarian products

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post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're conflating metaphors with obfuscation. For example, coconut milk is named so simply because it's a white liquid. It's not trying to be a replacement for milk, or trying to confuse people, it's just a metaphor. But vegan milk, sausages, etc, are all meant to be as similar to the real things as possible so as to cause confusion.

> But vegan milk, sausages, etc, are all meant to be as similar to the real things as possible so as to cause confusion. Source? I would assume they are as similar to the real thing as possible in order to be as similar to the real thing as possible. I.e. an alternative for people who do not want to source their food from animals, but do want their food to have characteristics similar to those that are sourced from a…

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Re: France bans veggie ′steaks,′ ′sausages′ to describe vegetarian products

#77
Sadly this is just another layer of protections to the industrial meat complex. It won't be long before we have to use some Johnny Dangerously-style [1] codes to order a veggie burger, the farging bastidges.

[1] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GVCgTFw2Qk

Re: France bans veggie ′steaks,′ ′sausages′ to describe vegetarian products

#78
post #13

It's getting ridiculous here in Sweden. Actual product names (they tend to use English, sometimes with intentional misspellings to get around regulations, I assume): "Vegan Grated Ch se" ( https://assets.icanet.se/t_product_large_2x_v1,f_auto/731024... ) "Roast Beaf - Plant-based cold cut" ( https://assets.icanet.se/t_product_large_2x_v1,f_auto/735003... ) "Parveggio - grated" ( https://assets.icanet.se/t_product_lar…

You see some of these in the USA, too, for example, "Veggie Chik'n": https://www.morningstarfarms.com/en_US/products/meal-starter...

Re: France bans veggie ′steaks,′ ′sausages′ to describe vegetarian products

#79

Sadly this is just another layer of protections to the industrial meat complex. It won't be long before we have to use some Johnny Dangerously-style [1] codes to order a veggie burger, the farging bastidges. [1] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GVCgTFw2Qk

> Sadly this is just another layer of protections to the industrial meat complex.

How so?

I think it's a very good idea to not allow product marketing to (ab)use terms to confuse people. If people want to eat meat that's their business. This is like that old trend of putting a "milk" label on almond drink/juice. It's just a straight up incorrect.

Re: France bans veggie ′steaks,′ ′sausages′ to describe vegetarian products

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The US meat and dairy industry have asked for similar bans as well. The problem is, consumers aren't actually confused. Different names will used if need be and consumers will continue the trend of reducing their meat consumption for environmental, health, or ethical reasons.

I’ve also been confused. I went to what I thought was a health food restaurant and ordered iirc a chicken sandwich. Received gardein which if you’ve had it is like a 1990s tier veggie burger aka not good. The cheese on it was also fake american cheese which itself was never cheese to begin with, but they still called it cheese despite it being nothing like cheese in taste or texture and only vaguely in color. At leas…

I've tried a lot of vegan alternative foods because I like trying new things (unfortunately for vegans, I also love meat) and I've never had a vegan cheese substitute that was worth purchasing, ever.
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