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TikTok updated privacy policy to collect faceprints and voiceprints (2021)

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Re: TikTok updated privacy policy to collect faceprints and voiceprints (2021)

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Post by omniglottal »

jasonlotito wrote: post #106
upupandup wrote: post #5

A security researcher wrote an article while back and it was shocking to see how much data TikTok was collecting: - biometrics - what words are mentioned in the video, popularity - surrounding wifi, location data - your contacts (presumably to cross link to social media platforms) I just can't believe that a powerful country like America is letting a not-so-friendly military/civilian complex infiltrate it for somewha…

biometrics: Anything involving face scanning for any filter based stuff needs access to biometric data words mentioned in the video: creating captions location data: helping to recommend people near you, also ability to enforce laws based on regions your contacts: this is something you give them permission to access. This is so you can connect with your friends who also setup TikToks. You do not have opt into this. T…

Having an ostensibly valid use does not preclude also having nefarious uses. A majority with apathy should not circumvent the efforts of those who do care.

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Post by vorpalhex »

theplumber wrote: post #167
vorpalhex wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It might be that China is rounding up Muslims and oh, I don't know, putting them in camps against their will? Maybe just a skosh? Or that time China shot at several Indian soldiers and killed a few?

The U.S would not put trade barriers to China for that incident in India (why India doesn't join U.S's sanctions on Russia now?) or for putting muslims in camps. Although not being the same thing I've seen children put in cages against their will on U.S soil so I'm pretty sure it could stomach some reeducation camps in China given the terrorism issues. U.S bombed Iraq unprovoked. Here we have the old money and power…

I think we should prohibit the state owned social media app which is mass collecting biometric markers for a state which is actively rounding up Muslims and putting them in camps.

I think if you want to petition for good things in other areas, that's great, but please don't stop the people currently doing good now with whataboutism.

Re: TikTok updated privacy policy to collect faceprints and voiceprints (2021)

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Post by simion314 »

dirtyid wrote: post #200
kube-system wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm mostly referring to the rights of private companies operating under US law to dispute executive action. Apple, for example, refuses to unlock phones regardless of the citizenship status of user.

Apple unlock drama was over "all writs act" where FBI compelled Apple to write new software to access user hardware versus using alleged (non)existing capabilities. FBI ended up using third party solutions, but after US gov decided to simply cirvumvent user layer via CLOUD act to simply legistate that manufactures have to make such remote access capabilities available, aka adopting PRC requirements. Seems to me, func…

Do we know any case where Apple or Google defended the privacy of a non US person ignoring the laws that force them to give access? I want to see this case and understand what happened. The reality is that if you are not an US citizens you don't have rights, and corporation would defend you only if there is profit in it otherwise they will defend you rights only on PR articles( like company X supports LGBT then same day CEO shakes hand with politicians that just stoned some person to death because there is money to be made)

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Post by pessimizer »

klray wrote: post #177
driverdan wrote: post #169

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Correlation is not causation and Daily Mail is trash.

The Daily Mail's sidebar is trash, selected articles sometimes have a high level. They seem to use their network of paparazzi/journalists to actually research facts on the ground. It is paid for by the fact that 95% of the content is indeed trash that sells. But the 5% that isn't trash contains classic what/when/where/how style facts in great detail. For select topics like the trucker protests in Canada the Daily Mai…

No, the Mail is all trash. But they're also notorious plagiarists (in the modern way, where you quickly rewrite somebody else's story.) So if you have a scoop that panders to a reactionary audience, the Mail will steal it, not link back to you, and become the outlet who becomes the main social media share for it. They will do no checking or verification on the story beforehand, but if it eventually turns out to be a made-up story, they'll just delete it. They've already got the juice, so now that it turns out you're wrong they're happy to refer people to you for the credit.

I even remember noticing they stole one of their uplifting weight-loss stories from another tabloid.

edit: they have lots of photos, though, which is the best thing about tabloids.

Re: TikTok updated privacy policy to collect faceprints and voiceprints (2021)

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Post by nemothekid »

actuator wrote: post #135
nemothekid wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fact that India would consider TikTok a threat but not Meta leads me to believe that it wasn't done on a purely espionage basis. The threat of TikTok, today, it still theoretical, while Facebook has done measurable harm to India's neighbors.

Tiktok is a far worse threat to India than Meta though. Unlike China, US is not an adversary of India and US didn't kill Indian soldiers just two years back. So it makes sense they would go after Tiktok. The harm is just not espionage, it is also manipulation of sentiment by propoganda. Also, I am not really sure with all the equivalence to Meta in this thread. Sure, Meta has things to be criticized about but if one…

Is India the West now? This alone tells me that you aren’t coming this from a data pov and simply playing team sports.

My problem with this “analysis” is it stems from xenophobia rather than the actual problem with these social networks.

The idea that we must “act now” with TikTok when Meta has been a worse actor is just anti-Chinese; we are pretending that Meta wont just bend over to the CCP as well if given the chance - we already have several of our companies self-censoring on issues that might anger the CCP.

Banning TikTok won’t fix the underlying problem and if your concern is China collecting data on US citizens you should understand there are very little controls in place, today, to prevent that from happening with any foreign actor. I don’t think China would have to pull teeth to exfiltrate data from any of the other social networks.

>Also, I am not really sure with all the equivalence to Meta in this thread.

Which company is implicated in a genocide in India neighboring states? Again is your concern actually about people or is it just “China scary”.

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Post by throwaway29812 »

rglullis wrote: post #153
throwaway29812 wrote: post #141

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> Not yet. So no, the answer is no. And there are laws in place that prevent such a change from occurring. > nobody can collect the data. It's unrealistic to think no one will be scraping data. You just need laws around who can do it, can for what reasons. And enforcement. (all of these things only possible in non-autocratic countries)

> laws in place that prevent such a change from occurring. Haven't you learned anything from Snowden? > You just need laws around who can do it, can for what reasons. You just make illegal to use personal data for any other thing that is not the service being directly provided to the customer. Personalized ads? Tracking cookies? Ad bids? Make all these illegal and the collection of data will stop being profitable. St…

We are talking about private industry working together with governments. The US has no intention nor legal ability to force private industry to work with them, outside of when they choose to.

Unless a new patriot act comes along, which is highly unlikely to pass in 2022.

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Post by actuator »

nemothekid wrote: post #245
actuator wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tiktok is a far worse threat to India than Meta though. Unlike China, US is not an adversary of India and US didn't kill Indian soldiers just two years back. So it makes sense they would go after Tiktok. The harm is just not espionage, it is also manipulation of sentiment by propoganda. Also, I am not really sure with all the equivalence to Meta in this thread. Sure, Meta has things to be criticized about but if one…

Is India the West now? This alone tells me that you aren’t coming this from a data pov and simply playing team sports. My problem with this “analysis” is it stems from xenophobia rather than the actual problem with these social networks. The idea that we must “act now” with TikTok when Meta has been a worse actor is just anti-Chinese; we are pretending that Meta wont just bend over to the CCP as well if given the cha…

Did you not read what I wrote?

> Unlike China, US is not an adversary of India and US didn't kill Indian soldiers just two years back. So it makes sense they would go after Tiktok.

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Post by heliophobicdude »

heretogetout wrote: post #139
Xeoncross wrote: post #122

I don't understand the argument that we shouldn't ban tikTok because Meta/Google/etc.. also collect data. I would rather ban all three, but tikTok is in a whole different league based on how that data is used. The difference is that the CCP is literally on the board of bytedance and uses this information to arrest, imprison, and harvest the organs of political, ideological, religious, and other dissidents. Yes, the U…

If China really is as bad as all that (and I think it probably is) why are we wasting any time or energy on TikTok? It'd be a lot more effective to sanction China over those human rights abuses than to ban some toy app.

I hope this can bring in some extra context.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/facebook-ceo-mark-zuckerberg-st...

Paywall-less link: https://archive.ph/D7Dao

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Post by pessimizer »

cybervaz wrote: post #128
eric__cartman wrote: post #48

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It should be unacceptable regardless of country of origin.

Stop generalizing the "country of origin" as if it does not matter like the Chinese Comunist Party isn't a threat to the world. - There will always be a ruler, and which ruler is killing, slaving, censoring and selling it's own people as meat tools for foreign companies? - China will kill, torture it's own people and their families if they think they are a thread (even if remote) to their government party (CCP). - Ch…

> Stop generalizing the "country of origin" as if it does not matter like the Chinese Comunist Party isn't a threat to the world.

It's important to generalize in order to show that some people are having arguments about principles, and others hate China. Sometimes you mistake the latter for the former, and waste your time making principled arguments with someone who just wants to kill.

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Post by [deleted] »

dannyphantom wrote: post #221
upupandup wrote: post #5

A security researcher wrote an article while back and it was shocking to see how much data TikTok was collecting: - biometrics - what words are mentioned in the video, popularity - surrounding wifi, location data - your contacts (presumably to cross link to social media platforms) I just can't believe that a powerful country like America is letting a not-so-friendly military/civilian complex infiltrate it for somewha…

I recently saw that TikTok is moving all US traffic to Oracle servers [0] as to mitigate any potential claims of the app being a threat. Would appreciate anyone expanding on the implications. [0]: https://techcrunch.com/2022/06/17/tiktok-oracle-us-traffic-c... My view of TikTok isn't so much that it's purpose is to be used as an threat; but rather a way to create an (insanely) lucrative e-commerce market in the same…

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