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Re: Fresh is a new full stack web framework for Deno

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Post by pier25 »

shroompasta wrote: post #59

React is here to stay and will have jquery like longevity. Sure, performance wise, it isn't the best, but performance isn't an end all be all. What separates react from the rest of the group is the maturity of React Native. If Discord is betting on React Native, so too can it be used for a lion's share of applications out there. When you're a startup deciding between technologies, usually you're a 1-5 man shop. If yo…

> React is here to stay and will have jquery like longevity.

I don't think React will ever disappear... but I seriously doubt it will ever become as popular and ubiquitous as jQuery.

Even today, React's market share is nowhere near close jQuery.

https://w3techs.com/technologies/comparison/js-jquery,js-rea...

Re: Fresh is a new full stack web framework for Deno

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Post by jokethrowaway »

likortera wrote: post #36
ssddanbrown wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Or is it just being able to run code on the server enough to be "full stack"? To me, "full stack" would entail having responsibility for logic on both the front-end and back-end, which Fresh does. Personally, I would not consider Laravel a full stack framework (Although it can work well with front-end frameworks to make a full-stack application). Instead I'd consider it a back-end framework.

In the case of laravel, I think that having by default a pretty awesome templating system (which even allows for components), a webpack based build system for frontend assets, easy way to serve, cache and bust assets, and a trivially easy way to submit forms and validate user input makes it pretty full stack. Same for Rails, and not event talking about HotWire/LiveWire with might not be considered parts of the framew…

In today's world that's not frontend enough (as much as it pains me to say).

You need to ship at least a few MBs of JS to prove you are a real frontend engineer.

Re: Fresh is a new full stack web framework for Deno

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Post by qbasic_forever »

unsupp0rted wrote: post #103

This looks like something I'd like to try but I don't like JSX (TSX). Is it possible to use Fresh with Vue in place of Preact, and write Vue components that split HTML templates from script and style tags?

Look at Astro, it's very similar to Fresh but lets you plugin the client side framework of your choice like Vue: https://astro.build/

Sveltekit is kind of similar in style too with single file components containing a script block, HTML, styles, etc. vs. JSX style components.

Re: Fresh is a new full stack web framework for Deno

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Post by forty »

likortera wrote: post #21

Am I the only one that think nowadays anything can be called "full stack"? For me "full stack" is something like Rails, Laravel, Django, etc. Or is it just being able to run code on the server enough to be "full stack"? I'm missing the translations system, the validations, the background jobs, the authentication system, authorization helpers, email sending, ORM or data access layer, testing framework, CSRF and relate…

https://www.commitstrip.com/en/2016/11/07/which-full-stack-d... :)

Re: Fresh is a new full stack web framework for Deno

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Post by gherkinnn »

upupandup wrote: post #117
gherkinnn wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Deno is a TS runtime. Deno Deploy is a place on which to deploy a Deno project. Fresh is a framework with which to write web apps on Deno, which then can be deployed to Deno Deploy. Your question seemingly conflates these three things and adds unrelated elements. To answer what you might be asking: TS is a nice language and Deno offers excellent tooling, Deno Deploy is easier to use than AWS and Fresh makes it easy t…

yeah but why does it warrant death threats? what is so threatening about my original question someone would send death threats?

It does not warrant threats of any kind but it does invite downvotes.

Re: Fresh is a new full stack web framework for Deno

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Post by jokethrowaway »

kolanos wrote: post #84
didip wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought full stack means going all the way down to tuning the database, the kernel, building your own CI/CD, and performing your own deployment and scaling.

In practice, I've seen it used to describe someone who is fluent on the backend (DBs, APIs, DevOps, etc.) and competent on the frontend (React). But that could be more of a product of the talent pool, I think there are more backend engineers who dabble in the frontend (maybe because that's where the perceived party is?) than the other way around.

It used to be like this before react.

Today, I have the opposite impression. Nowadays everyone is a react tool who want to learn backend so they can call themselves full stack.

People see react, Facebook and their eyes turn into dollar signs.

Re: Fresh is a new full stack web framework for Deno

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Post by triyambakam »

upupandup wrote: post #118
lvass wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're guilty of the sins of conflating orthogonal resources, aggravated by the fact one is a hugely overused proprietary, expensive and absolutely unrelated service, so the downvotes were definitely expected. Then even worse, you're editing posts to complain. Whoever may be contacting you though, here's my fuck you to them.

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Re: Fresh is a new full stack web framework for Deno

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Post by triyambakam »

canacrypto wrote: post #80

Nothing new under the sun. This is just the latest in the pendulum swinging back to the same server-side strategy that Php/Django do. There's a reason we moved away that! Client-side apps are an elegant architecture that takes advantage of computing power on edge devices.

There's always room to learn more and make it better. They didn't make Fresh just from a whim

Re: Fresh is a new full stack web framework for Deno

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Post by WORMS_EAT_WORMS »

Full stack for Edge just makes sense to be both server, client, and the software that connects it.

Deno will have this with some amazing edge render perfection figured out if you go all-in.

Vercel has Next + Svelte.

Then Cloudflare has "Adaptor" packages and then a simple functions routing folder in Pages (which is def not this...).

I wonder if Cloudflare will regret still not really providing a "Cloudflare Way" of doing things.

Re: Fresh is a new full stack web framework for Deno

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Post by unsupp0rted »

qbasic_forever wrote: post #143
unsupp0rted wrote: post #103

This looks like something I'd like to try but I don't like JSX (TSX). Is it possible to use Fresh with Vue in place of Preact, and write Vue components that split HTML templates from script and style tags?

Look at Astro, it's very similar to Fresh but lets you plugin the client side framework of your choice like Vue: https://astro.build/ Sveltekit is kind of similar in style too with single file components containing a script block, HTML, styles, etc. vs. JSX style components.

I tried to like SvelteKit but there was a ton of magic and very, very poor documentation about that magic. Perhaps it's better documented now?
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