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Fresh is a new full stack web framework for Deno

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Re: Fresh is a new full stack web framework for Deno

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Post by didip »

likortera wrote: post #21

Am I the only one that think nowadays anything can be called "full stack"? For me "full stack" is something like Rails, Laravel, Django, etc. Or is it just being able to run code on the server enough to be "full stack"? I'm missing the translations system, the validations, the background jobs, the authentication system, authorization helpers, email sending, ORM or data access layer, testing framework, CSRF and relate…

I thought full stack means going all the way down to tuning the database, the kernel, building your own CI/CD, and performing your own deployment and scaling.

Re: Fresh is a new full stack web framework for Deno

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Post by [deleted] »

upupandup wrote: post #10
gkapur wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would assume the idea is that this is native to the deno runtime whereas some other frameworks like NextJS and Remix are "node native?"

Isn't DENO just AWS Lambda@Edge but you can't use anything other than JS/TS? edit: whoa whats with these downvotes? and im being accused of being a troll for asking a legitimate question? I am trying to evaluate this and my comments are being flagged for no reason Dang This is the second or third time just asking innocent questions on a YC linked company resulted in mass downvotes and flagging.

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Re: Fresh is a new full stack web framework for Deno

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Post by jstx1 »

likortera wrote: post #21

Am I the only one that think nowadays anything can be called "full stack"? For me "full stack" is something like Rails, Laravel, Django, etc. Or is it just being able to run code on the server enough to be "full stack"? I'm missing the translations system, the validations, the background jobs, the authentication system, authorization helpers, email sending, ORM or data access layer, testing framework, CSRF and relate…

> For me "full stack" is something like Rails, Laravel, Django, etc.

Aren't those back-end frameworks? I always undestood full-stack to mean "front-end + back-end".

Re: Fresh is a new full stack web framework for Deno

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Post by dwmbt »

colesantiago wrote: post #24

Is there any company that is hiring that uses fresh or deno in production?

deno!

edit: i just realized you probably meant another company... i believe Slack uses deno in prod, not sure if they're currently hiring. netlify, github, and supabase all use deno as well.

Re: Fresh is a new full stack web framework for Deno

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Post by tinco »

zigzag312 wrote: post #47
simonw wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The cost of server-side rendering feels pretty trivial to me these days. Fly.io will sell you a 256MB of RAM container for $1.94/month, which is perfectly capable of server-side rendering dozens (maybe even hundreds if you write efficient code) of requests per second. I'm sure you can get even better deals if you shop around.

Is that kind of a container less capable than just about any client (except embedded of course)? Sorry if it's a stupid question. I'm not familiar with web SSR.

Yes, and if you've got a fairly complex website it's unlikely it could render more than a couple dozen rendered requests per second. If you're not rendering and instead getting them from a cache, that would be different of course.

Re: Fresh is a new full stack web framework for Deno

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Post by shroompasta »

React is here to stay and will have jquery like longevity.

Sure, performance wise, it isn't the best, but performance isn't an end all be all.

What separates react from the rest of the group is the maturity of React Native.

If Discord is betting on React Native, so too can it be used for a lion's share of applications out there.

When you're a startup deciding between technologies, usually you're a 1-5 man shop.

If you have the capital to blow, you can build separate teams for native + web, and separating native even further with Kotlin/Java and Swift with your choice for the web platform.

(I'm not trying to the Dart ecosystem just to only use Flutter, in which, Flutter-Web isn't SEO friendly)

Or you can just use React + RN and essentially have one team and save you anywhere from 500k-2m in hiring.

This is why React is so strong.

It's not because it's "performant", it's because it's practical, and even for performance it's good enough.

Re: Fresh is a new full stack web framework for Deno

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Post by joshgachnang »

jstx1 wrote: post #54
likortera wrote: post #21

Am I the only one that think nowadays anything can be called "full stack"? For me "full stack" is something like Rails, Laravel, Django, etc. Or is it just being able to run code on the server enough to be "full stack"? I'm missing the translations system, the validations, the background jobs, the authentication system, authorization helpers, email sending, ORM or data access layer, testing framework, CSRF and relate…

> For me "full stack" is something like Rails, Laravel, Django, etc. Aren't those back-end frameworks? I always undestood full-stack to mean "front-end + back-end".

At least for Django, it handles creating client side views, client routing, etc. You can of course use a different frontend, but that's included by default. See also its wonderful admin interface.
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