Fresh is a new full stack web framework for Deno
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Re: Fresh is a new full stack web framework for Deno
#2Correct me if I am wrong, but this is basically server-side rendering with a smart system to re-render some component ("island") on the client ?
Re: Fresh is a new full stack web framework for Deno
#3Correct me if I am wrong, but this is basically server-side rendering with a smart system to re-render some component ("island") on the client ?
Yes, that is the idea. Fresh is primarily a routing and templating system with built in client hydration.
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#4I really like the idea of Deno and Fresh's philosophy also resonates with me (I'm a Rails guy). I would like to see an integrated ORM (can be an existing one) and testing framework though, before I would consider it a "full-stack" web framework.
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#6I really like the idea of Deno and Fresh's philosophy also resonates with me (I'm a Rails guy). I would like to see an integrated ORM (can be an existing one) and testing framework though, before I would consider it a "full-stack" web framework.
Not sure about ORM, but Postgres.js[0] works on Deno. For testing, Deno includes a built-in test runner and assertions via the std[1].
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I would assume the idea is that this is native to the deno runtime whereas some other frameworks like NextJS and Remix are "node native?"
Re: Fresh is a new full stack web framework for Deno
#8> But client-side rendering is expensive; the framework often will ship hundreds of kilobytes of client-side JavaScript to users on each request. These JS bundles often do little more than rendering static content that could just as well have been served as plain HTML.
server-side rendering for each request in V8 might be more expensive to host than client side rendering in V8?
for a properly-chunked app, hopefully most requests for the larger vendor bundles are cached/JITed, and each request doesnt actually download much extra JS.
there are also many frameworks faster than React (Solid, Marko, etc)
Re: Fresh is a new full stack web framework for Deno
#9I really like the idea of Deno and Fresh's philosophy also resonates with me (I'm a Rails guy). I would like to see an integrated ORM (can be an existing one) and testing framework though, before I would consider it a "full-stack" web framework.
Yes, this is something I want to add in the future. We're just not quite there yet. My current plan is:
1. first class styling plugins
2. synchronized island state
3. built in data persistence
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I would assume the idea is that this is native to the deno runtime whereas some other frameworks like NextJS and Remix are "node native?"
Isn't DENO just AWS Lambda@Edge but you can't use anything other than JS/TS?
edit: whoa whats with these downvotes? and im being accused of being a troll for asking a legitimate question? I am trying to evaluate this and my comments are being flagged for no reason Dang
This is the second or third time just asking innocent questions on a YC linked company resulted in mass downvotes and flagging.