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Amazon is intimidating and harassing organizing workers in Montreal

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Re: Amazon is intimidating and harassing organizing workers in Montreal

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missedthecue 4 hours ago > OPEC is also a union missedthecue 1 hour ago > I wouldn't call OPEC a union You might want to re-examine your cybersecurity measures - someone hacked your account.

Yes, I put it in those terms to help remove the blinders some people have on. In a strict sense, I guess you could that OPEC does meet the definition of a union, in the sense that it is a group of entities coordinating together. Just like the EU, a marriage, the commonwealth, or the USA. We're really just splitting hairs at this point. My main point is that the motives and tactics of both OPEC and the UAW are identic…

aka arguing in bad faith.

Re: Amazon is intimidating and harassing organizing workers in Montreal

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Aren't unions the reason we have a number of worker protections and standards, including the 40 hour work week?

Unions and anarchists, yes.

Re: Amazon is intimidating and harassing organizing workers in Montreal

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The employer owes you nothing. You're citing your difficult circimstances to justify getting the government to seize control of an employer from its shareholders, in dictating its hiring decisions. But as a practical matter, opportunities expand faster when labor markets are free, and capital owners are secure in their rights. Employment growth has been widely observed to be stronger where labor laws are less restric…

> 1950 That prosperity almost certainly more to do with the post-WW2 economic boom than anything else. There are arguments to be made against unions but citing what happened in the golden era of the '50s-'60s isn't one of them.

Detroit being the richest city in America in 1950 was a culmination of many decades of economic development stretching back to the late 19th century.

Re: Amazon is intimidating and harassing organizing workers in Montreal

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This mirrors real life interactions with union organizers in my family (as workers). Anything less than rah rah the union you get shunned and ostracized as some business shill. These bullying tactics are why I avoid unions.

Lol ah, yes, Amazon is the good guy here and magically it's now the union organizers who are harassing employees. Just when I thought my eyes couldn't roll any harder.

Yes, why is that so hard to believe?

Re: Amazon is intimidating and harassing organizing workers in Montreal

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>If they know they are going to take a hit? Oh now its 'regular people' in the comments going to bat for a company everyone hates these days. >I have to say the worst by far is Amazon. Every post about them has this shit happen. >Obvious shills in the comments, flamebait and wars. When they can't get them to flag and get a post off the front page they do their best to muddy the waters. https://news.ycombinator.com/ne…

Fair enough, but why is it that on every post critical of Amazon there's a bunch of freshly-made accounts just for the purpose of spreading fud?

Part of this can be explained by some long-established accounts that used to frequently defend American companies being banned, e.g. CryptoPunk [1], for being too incendiary.

In any case, I'd suggest trying to quantify the number of new accounts taking the pro-market-freedom side, and the number taking the pro-government-intervention side, to see if the data bears out your assumptions.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=CryptoPunk

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Because that would be communism or something.

Good one. Now explain why unionized European programmers don't get paid nearly the same as un-unionized American ones. Is it because of fascism or something?

1. There aren't many countries with unions for programmers. 2. Programmers earn less in general in Europe, so that proves nothing. 3. Companies pay differently in different european countries and we pay more taxes and less in healthcare costs, etc.

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Aren't unions the reason we have a number of worker protections and standards, including the 40 hour work week?

Yes, the comment you are replying to is complete nonsense.

Re: Amazon is intimidating and harassing organizing workers in Montreal

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What does the word union mean to you?

Restricting competition to raise the cost of the product sold. That's why unions hate people who cross the picket line. If you willingly compete, you undermine the whole strategy.

If you took the time to learn a less nonsensical definition you might have an easier time understanding why OPEC isn't even close.
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