I'm confused, what platform does Apple ban other browsers on?
iOS, where Apple only allows WebKit-based browsers, so basically Safari.
Apple's claim is that it bans other browsers for security
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Does this digital markets act apply to game consoles and smart TV platforms? What about in-dash car systems?
The digital markets act only applies to certain companies, called "gatekeepers" that are large enough, have a certain very large amount of users, and have enough market power. Generally speaking, the purpose of anti-trust law is not to effect small players, who do not control any markets. Instead, the purpose of anti-trust law is to prevent multi-trillion dollar companies who control half of a duopoly, from doing ant…
But sure, instead of having phone manufacturers compete with open competition in an open marketplace, let's have governments decide how my phone works. That sounds like a great idea. (Note: that is sarcasm.)
I wonder, is the EU promising to replace Apple's effective private regulatory environment around privacy control with something its equal or better? Given that "open markets" in software isn't a concept that respects national borders, I don't see how they could. Or are they just going to crack the nut open at the behest of lobbying efforts by other (mostly foreign) multi-billion dollar companies who stand to gain?
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Good thing that regulation mentions browser engines and not the cardboard wrapping. You can use any browser you want as long it is ONLY Apple WebKit behind the scenes is a true dystopian fascist power-play.
> Good thing that regulation mentions browser engines and not the cardboard wrapping. Then why doesn't it target Chromium as the vastly dominant engine that has ~80% of global market? Or in the case of Chromium the cardboard wrapping like Edge etc. are different engines all of a sudden?
Google is already being targeted here by EU regulation on several fronts. If Google abuses their dominant position of Google Chrome, then by all means let's get regulation applied to them. I am perfectly fine with regulation applied to Google Chrome! Let Google Android be forced to come with other preinstalled browsers.
But at the moment, Apple is the company that is abusing control of their platform and most web-devs and many educated users look forward to having real choices.
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> except notifications. Which is THE single selling points that brings everyone to make 2 native apps instead of one URL. It hs been available on Android for a decade, and is still undetermined when it will actually land in iOS.
It won't, they want to push you to make an app no matter what.
Actually Web Push is coming in iOS 16.
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On the other hand, this denies me from using an actual Mozilla Firefox web browser on iOS. Imposing an artificial limit on iOS isn't how the web will move forward. > Whatever you think of their decisions, Apple is the only thing stopping a 90%+ Chrome web. I don't see Apple making any effort to diversify the browser ecosystem by making their browser available on other operating systems, so their inaction on other fro…
In fact Apple doesn't even bother supporting Firefox on some sites. Case in point https://business.apple.com
It’s funny how I’m on Safari on iOS and I’m also getting the “Your browser is not supported” error
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Ish. There's bridges to native functions and there are a lot of functions. For example you can write a mini-app that connects to bluetooth. It's essentially loading dynamic code that bridges to native code.
So your point is... that bluetooth is accessible via browser api? Yes, that's true, Bluefy is a whole browser built around that API, for example. https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Web_Bluetoo... https://apps.apple.com/us/app/bluefy-web-ble-browser/id14928... So what? Apple has never required review of every web page you load with safari, regardless of which browser APIs they use... the browser is the b…
Expressly forbidden:
- install, or execute code which introduces or changes features or functionality of the app
The only exception they've crafted is for educational purposes.
2.5.2 Apps should be self-contained in their bundles, and may not read or write data outside the designated container area, nor may they download, install, or execute code which introduces or changes features or functionality of the app, including other apps. Educational apps designed to teach, develop, or allow students to test executable code may, in limited circumstances, download code provided that such code is not used for other purposes. Such apps must make the source code provided by the app completely viewable and editable by the user.
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#477A few random thoughts: • There's a place for closed platforms if open ones are a reasonable choice. A closed platform must not be the only choice available to the customer, but it should be allowed to exist given a healthy market. It's hard to argue that iOS is a monopoly, and if so, than a browser engine and JS interpreter with access to the open web is a very powerful thing that the owner of the platform may deem t…
Don't you believe that the physical owner of a device should be entitled to complete control of the code that is executed in it? This goes beyond business models.
It’s the last in my bullet point
Re: Apple's claim is that it bans other browsers for security
#478A few random thoughts: • There's a place for closed platforms if open ones are a reasonable choice. A closed platform must not be the only choice available to the customer, but it should be allowed to exist given a healthy market. It's hard to argue that iOS is a monopoly, and if so, than a browser engine and JS interpreter with access to the open web is a very powerful thing that the owner of the platform may deem t…
> It could even void battery warranty or something This is illegal in a variety of places. They need to prove that these actions caused damage to the battery.
Maybe they can prove what can be done by running arbitrary code and argue that they can’t provide warranty against that use case.
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> It could even void battery warranty or something This is illegal in a variety of places. They need to prove that these actions caused damage to the battery.
Maybe they can prove what can be done by running arbitrary code and argue that they can’t provide warranty against that use case.
As irc Apple would need to explicitly prove that the arbitrary code broke the battery.
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#480I’m going to ignore the security angle and post my big fear. Chrome has dominance similar to IE at the height of its popularity. Whatever you think of their decisions, Apple is the only thing stopping a 90%+ Chrome web. (Note: not why they’re doing it, just a side effect) People keep arguing Apple is being anti-competitive. But no one seems to recon with the possible consequences of what they’re asking for. And I fea…
"we can't have competition be because apple will lose"