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NeRF: An eventual successor for deepfakes?

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Re: NeRF: An eventual successor for deepfakes?

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Post by bogwog »

beisner wrote: post #21
RubyRidgeRandy wrote: post #4

Something I've wondered lately is what will life be like in a post-truth society? we already see examples of this now where a large number of people get their news from fake memes on facebook. There are huge swathes of people who live in their own make-believe world, like those believing wholeheartedly that the 2020 election was stolen. What will life be like when you can't trust any video or interview you see becaus…

So there are information theoretic ways to certify that media is genuine, if you assume trust at least somewhere in the process. Basically just cryptographic signing. For instance, a camera sensor could be designed such that every image that is captured on the sensor gets signed by the sensor at the hardware level, with a certificate that is embedded by the manufacturer. Then any video released could be verified agai…

That's helpful for the legal system, but it's not going to help for attacks designed to cause mass panic/unrest/revolts. If another US president wants to attempt a coup, it'll be much more successful if they're competent and determined enough to produce deepfakes that support their narrative.

The only way to prevent stuff like that is to educate the public and teach people how important it is to be skeptical of anything they see on the internet. Even then, human emotions are a hell of a drug so idk how much it'd help.

Re: NeRF: An eventual successor for deepfakes?

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Post by hutrdvnj »

redox99 wrote: post #26
RubyRidgeRandy wrote: post #4

Something I've wondered lately is what will life be like in a post-truth society? we already see examples of this now where a large number of people get their news from fake memes on facebook. There are huge swathes of people who live in their own make-believe world, like those believing wholeheartedly that the 2020 election was stolen. What will life be like when you can't trust any video or interview you see becaus…

People with some degree of knowledge already know that any photo could be photoshopped. People that don't care will blindly trust a picture of someone with a quote or caption saying whatever, as long as it fits their narrative. This has been the case for photos for almost 2 decades. The fact that you can now do it with video or audio doesn't change that much IMO.

I think it does, because while you obviously couldn't trust images since two decades or so, you could resort to video which wasn't easy to believably deep fake until recently. But if everything online could be a deep fake, how can you find out the truth?

Re: NeRF: An eventual successor for deepfakes?

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Post by tomgraham »

SantalBlush wrote: post #30
tomgraham wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The good news is that public awareness of potentially manipulated media is on the rise. Coupled with good laws, good detection tech - public awareness and media literacy is important. At Metaphysic.ai, we created the @DeepTomCruise account on Tiktok to raise awareness. We also created www.Everyany.one to help regular people claim their hyperreal ID and protect their biometric face and voice data. We think that the me…

Creating yet another product to monetize is not a solution, it's just more of the problem. It incentivizes a perpetual arms race between fabrication and verification at the cost of everyday users. No thanks.

It is free. Protecting individuals' right is more important that making money!

Re: NeRF: An eventual successor for deepfakes?

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Post by fartcannon »

fxtentacle wrote: post #16
RubyRidgeRandy wrote: post #4

Something I've wondered lately is what will life be like in a post-truth society? we already see examples of this now where a large number of people get their news from fake memes on facebook. There are huge swathes of people who live in their own make-believe world, like those believing wholeheartedly that the 2020 election was stolen. What will life be like when you can't trust any video or interview you see becaus…

I believe we'll go back to trusting local experts that you can meet in person to confirm that they are not a bot. Because anything online will be known to be untrustworthy. Most blogs, chat groups and social media posts will be spam bots. And it'll be impossible for the average person to tell the difference between chatting with a bot and chatting with a human. But humans crave social connections and intimate physica…

I want to agree with you, deeply, but the number of people who fall for simple PR/advertising in today's world suggests otherwise.

I think we'd have a chance if they taught PR tricks in schools starting at a young age. Or at minimum, if websites that aggregate news would identify sources that financially benefit from you believing what they're saying.

Re: NeRF: An eventual successor for deepfakes?

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Post by mgkimsal »

fleetwoodsnack wrote: post #24
idontwantthis wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This doesn’t bother me that much because evidence isn’t required to convince millions of people that a lie is true. We already know this. Why make fake evidence that could be debunked when you can just have no evidence instead?

Different instruments can be used to capture different segments of the population. You’re right there are gullible people who are more likely to believe things with limited or no evidence. But it isn’t necessarily about the most impressionable people, nor is it about installing sincerely held beliefs. Instead, what may be a cause for concern is simply the installation of doubt in an otherwise reasonable person becaus…

> You’re right there are gullible people who are more likely to believe things with limited or no evidence

Often the lack of evidence is the proof of whatever is being peddled. "No evidence for $foo? OF COURSE NOT! Because 'they' scrubbed it so you wouldn't be any wiser! But I have the 'truth' here... just sign up for my newsletter..."

Re: NeRF: An eventual successor for deepfakes?

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Post by micromacrofoot »

redox99 wrote: post #26
RubyRidgeRandy wrote: post #4

Something I've wondered lately is what will life be like in a post-truth society? we already see examples of this now where a large number of people get their news from fake memes on facebook. There are huge swathes of people who live in their own make-believe world, like those believing wholeheartedly that the 2020 election was stolen. What will life be like when you can't trust any video or interview you see becaus…

People with some degree of knowledge already know that any photo could be photoshopped. People that don't care will blindly trust a picture of someone with a quote or caption saying whatever, as long as it fits their narrative. This has been the case for photos for almost 2 decades. The fact that you can now do it with video or audio doesn't change that much IMO.

Photos have been altered for much longer than 2 decades. Think of airbrushing models in magazines (used to be literal airbrushes painting over photos). This has had a serious impact on our perception of beauty and reality.

Re: NeRF: An eventual successor for deepfakes?

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Post by MarcoZavala »

RubyRidgeRandy wrote: post #4

Something I've wondered lately is what will life be like in a post-truth society? we already see examples of this now where a large number of people get their news from fake memes on facebook. There are huge swathes of people who live in their own make-believe world, like those believing wholeheartedly that the 2020 election was stolen. What will life be like when you can't trust any video or interview you see becaus…

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Re: NeRF: An eventual successor for deepfakes?

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Post by Der_Einzige »

Agamus wrote: post #29
Workaccount2 wrote: post #2

I know there are a lot of groups working on how to prevent AI disruptions to society, or how to mitigate their impact, but are there any groups working on how to adapt society to a full blown unchained AI world? Like throw out all the safeguards (which seems inevitable) and how does society best operate in a world where no media can be trusted as authentic? Or where "authentic" is cut from the same cloth as "fake"? I…

One thing we should be doing is supporting critical thinking at the high school and university level. Unfortunately, it seems we have been dedicated to the opposite of this for about 50 years, at least in the US.

Critical thinking is the most overrated skill ever.

"Critical theorists" are the people who fetishize "critical thinking" and all it got them was to embrace cultural Marxism.

Constructive thinking is far better than learning how to shit on people, as the skill of critique teaches us...

Re: NeRF: An eventual successor for deepfakes?

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Post by whimsicalism »

hutrdvnj wrote: post #32
redox99 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People with some degree of knowledge already know that any photo could be photoshopped. People that don't care will blindly trust a picture of someone with a quote or caption saying whatever, as long as it fits their narrative. This has been the case for photos for almost 2 decades. The fact that you can now do it with video or audio doesn't change that much IMO.

I think it does, because while you obviously couldn't trust images since two decades or so, you could resort to video which wasn't easy to believably deep fake until recently. But if everything online could be a deep fake, how can you find out the truth?

Videos can be faked too, it is just cheaper now.

Re: NeRF: An eventual successor for deepfakes?

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Post by bberrry »

jkaptur wrote: post #28
RubyRidgeRandy wrote: post #4

Something I've wondered lately is what will life be like in a post-truth society? we already see examples of this now where a large number of people get their news from fake memes on facebook. There are huge swathes of people who live in their own make-believe world, like those believing wholeheartedly that the 2020 election was stolen. What will life be like when you can't trust any video or interview you see becaus…

Wasn't this bridge crossed when Photoshop became popular?

It takes some level of skill to produce a convincing Photoshopped image.
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