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NeRF: An eventual successor for deepfakes?

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Re: NeRF: An eventual successor for deepfakes?

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Post by beisner »

RubyRidgeRandy wrote: post #4

Something I've wondered lately is what will life be like in a post-truth society? we already see examples of this now where a large number of people get their news from fake memes on facebook. There are huge swathes of people who live in their own make-believe world, like those believing wholeheartedly that the 2020 election was stolen. What will life be like when you can't trust any video or interview you see becaus…

So there are information theoretic ways to certify that media is genuine, if you assume trust at least somewhere in the process. Basically just cryptographic signing.

For instance, a camera sensor could be designed such that every image that is captured on the sensor gets signed by the sensor at the hardware level, with a certificate that is embedded by the manufacturer. Then any video released could be verified against a certificate provided by the manufacturer. Of course, you have to trust the manufacturer, but that’s an easier pill to swallow (and better supported by our legal framework) than having to try and authenticate each video you watch independently.

There are issues that can arise (what if I put a screen in front of a real camera??, what if the CIA compromises the supply chain???), but at the end of the day it makes attacks much more challenging than just running some deepfake software. So there are things that can be done, we’re not destined for a post truth world where we can’t trust any media we see.

Re: NeRF: An eventual successor for deepfakes?

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Post by tomgraham »

RubyRidgeRandy wrote: post #4

Something I've wondered lately is what will life be like in a post-truth society? we already see examples of this now where a large number of people get their news from fake memes on facebook. There are huge swathes of people who live in their own make-believe world, like those believing wholeheartedly that the 2020 election was stolen. What will life be like when you can't trust any video or interview you see becaus…

The good news is that public awareness of potentially manipulated media is on the rise. Coupled with good laws, good detection tech - public awareness and media literacy is important. At Metaphysic.ai, we created the @DeepTomCruise account on Tiktok to raise awareness.

We also created www.Everyany.one to help regular people claim their hyperreal ID and protect their biometric face and voice data. We think that the metaverse of the future will feature the hyperreal likenesses of regular people - so we all have to work hard today to empower people to be in control of their identity.

Re: NeRF: An eventual successor for deepfakes?

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Post by [deleted] »

beisner wrote: post #21
RubyRidgeRandy wrote: post #4

Something I've wondered lately is what will life be like in a post-truth society? we already see examples of this now where a large number of people get their news from fake memes on facebook. There are huge swathes of people who live in their own make-believe world, like those believing wholeheartedly that the 2020 election was stolen. What will life be like when you can't trust any video or interview you see becaus…

So there are information theoretic ways to certify that media is genuine, if you assume trust at least somewhere in the process. Basically just cryptographic signing. For instance, a camera sensor could be designed such that every image that is captured on the sensor gets signed by the sensor at the hardware level, with a certificate that is embedded by the manufacturer. Then any video released could be verified agai…

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Re: NeRF: An eventual successor for deepfakes?

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Post by fleetwoodsnack »

idontwantthis wrote: post #17
RubyRidgeRandy wrote: post #4

Something I've wondered lately is what will life be like in a post-truth society? we already see examples of this now where a large number of people get their news from fake memes on facebook. There are huge swathes of people who live in their own make-believe world, like those believing wholeheartedly that the 2020 election was stolen. What will life be like when you can't trust any video or interview you see becaus…

This doesn’t bother me that much because evidence isn’t required to convince millions of people that a lie is true. We already know this. Why make fake evidence that could be debunked when you can just have no evidence instead?

Different instruments can be used to capture different segments of the population. You’re right there are gullible people who are more likely to believe things with limited or no evidence. But it isn’t necessarily about the most impressionable people, nor is it about installing sincerely held beliefs.

Instead, what may be a cause for concern is simply the installation of doubt in an otherwise reasonable person because of the perceived validity of contrived evidence. Not so much that it becomes a sincerely held belief, but but just enough that it paralyzes action and encourages indifference due to ambiguity.

Re: NeRF: An eventual successor for deepfakes?

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Post by blamestross »

andruby wrote: post #18
irjustin wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This has been discussed many times and it doesn't work. Simple answer is I can just record a deep fake and get it cryptographically signed.

If you trust a person (or source) and they have a private key that they can properly secure, they could always sign their material with that key. That would prove that the source provided that material. A blockchain could be a way to store and publish that signature & hash. It can't say "this is real", it can only say "that signature belongs to source X".

> A blockchain could be a way to store and publish that signature & hash.

yes but it would be a bad one. We have multiple key distribution mechanism that are better for the use case.

Re: NeRF: An eventual successor for deepfakes?

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Post by redox99 »

RubyRidgeRandy wrote: post #4

Something I've wondered lately is what will life be like in a post-truth society? we already see examples of this now where a large number of people get their news from fake memes on facebook. There are huge swathes of people who live in their own make-believe world, like those believing wholeheartedly that the 2020 election was stolen. What will life be like when you can't trust any video or interview you see becaus…

People with some degree of knowledge already know that any photo could be photoshopped. People that don't care will blindly trust a picture of someone with a quote or caption saying whatever, as long as it fits their narrative.

This has been the case for photos for almost 2 decades. The fact that you can now do it with video or audio doesn't change that much IMO.

Re: NeRF: An eventual successor for deepfakes?

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Post by jkaptur »

RubyRidgeRandy wrote: post #4

Something I've wondered lately is what will life be like in a post-truth society? we already see examples of this now where a large number of people get their news from fake memes on facebook. There are huge swathes of people who live in their own make-believe world, like those believing wholeheartedly that the 2020 election was stolen. What will life be like when you can't trust any video or interview you see becaus…

Wasn't this bridge crossed when Photoshop became popular?

Re: NeRF: An eventual successor for deepfakes?

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Post by Agamus »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #2

I know there are a lot of groups working on how to prevent AI disruptions to society, or how to mitigate their impact, but are there any groups working on how to adapt society to a full blown unchained AI world? Like throw out all the safeguards (which seems inevitable) and how does society best operate in a world where no media can be trusted as authentic? Or where "authentic" is cut from the same cloth as "fake"? I…

One thing we should be doing is supporting critical thinking at the high school and university level. Unfortunately, it seems we have been dedicated to the opposite of this for about 50 years, at least in the US.

Re: NeRF: An eventual successor for deepfakes?

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Post by SantalBlush »

tomgraham wrote: post #22
RubyRidgeRandy wrote: post #4

Something I've wondered lately is what will life be like in a post-truth society? we already see examples of this now where a large number of people get their news from fake memes on facebook. There are huge swathes of people who live in their own make-believe world, like those believing wholeheartedly that the 2020 election was stolen. What will life be like when you can't trust any video or interview you see becaus…

The good news is that public awareness of potentially manipulated media is on the rise. Coupled with good laws, good detection tech - public awareness and media literacy is important. At Metaphysic.ai, we created the @DeepTomCruise account on Tiktok to raise awareness. We also created www.Everyany.one to help regular people claim their hyperreal ID and protect their biometric face and voice data. We think that the me…

Creating yet another product to monetize is not a solution, it's just more of the problem. It incentivizes a perpetual arms race between fabrication and verification at the cost of everyday users. No thanks.
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