Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

NeRF: An eventual successor for deepfakes?

metaphysic.ai

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

11–20 of 169 posts

Re: NeRF: An eventual successor for deepfakes?

#11

Post by irjustin »

strohwueste wrote: post #7
Workaccount2 wrote: post #2

I know there are a lot of groups working on how to prevent AI disruptions to society, or how to mitigate their impact, but are there any groups working on how to adapt society to a full blown unchained AI world? Like throw out all the safeguards (which seems inevitable) and how does society best operate in a world where no media can be trusted as authentic? Or where "authentic" is cut from the same cloth as "fake"? I…

What about nft-based camera recording?

This has been discussed many times and it doesn't work.

Simple answer is I can just record a deep fake and get it cryptographically signed.

Re: NeRF: An eventual successor for deepfakes?

#13

Post by andruby »

kache_ wrote: post #5
RubyRidgeRandy wrote: post #4

Something I've wondered lately is what will life be like in a post-truth society? we already see examples of this now where a large number of people get their news from fake memes on facebook. There are huge swathes of people who live in their own make-believe world, like those believing wholeheartedly that the 2020 election was stolen. What will life be like when you can't trust any video or interview you see becaus…

The one unwavering thing about technology is that it doesn't stop advancing, and we can't use it responsibly. The good news is that we've been going through rapid, rapid tech advancements the past 50 years and we're still here.

> The one unwavering thing about technology is that it doesn't stop advancing, and we can't use it responsibly.

While I think that is true in general, I am optimistic that we've seen at least one technology where we were able to constraint ourselves from self-destruction: nuclear weapons.

Of course, nuclear weapons tech is not in reach of individuals or corporations, which means there are only a handful of players in this game-theory setting.

Re: NeRF: An eventual successor for deepfakes?

#14

Post by [deleted] »

RubyRidgeRandy wrote: post #4

Something I've wondered lately is what will life be like in a post-truth society? we already see examples of this now where a large number of people get their news from fake memes on facebook. There are huge swathes of people who live in their own make-believe world, like those believing wholeheartedly that the 2020 election was stolen. What will life be like when you can't trust any video or interview you see becaus…

[deleted]

Re: NeRF: An eventual successor for deepfakes?

#15

Post by sitkack »

kache_ wrote: post #5
RubyRidgeRandy wrote: post #4

Something I've wondered lately is what will life be like in a post-truth society? we already see examples of this now where a large number of people get their news from fake memes on facebook. There are huge swathes of people who live in their own make-believe world, like those believing wholeheartedly that the 2020 election was stolen. What will life be like when you can't trust any video or interview you see becaus…

The one unwavering thing about technology is that it doesn't stop advancing, and we can't use it responsibly. The good news is that we've been going through rapid, rapid tech advancements the past 50 years and we're still here.

> rapid tech advancements the past 50 years and we're still here

This is a tautology. At some point the music stops and you aren't here to make the argument that we are still here.

Re: NeRF: An eventual successor for deepfakes?

#16

Post by fxtentacle »

RubyRidgeRandy wrote: post #4

Something I've wondered lately is what will life be like in a post-truth society? we already see examples of this now where a large number of people get their news from fake memes on facebook. There are huge swathes of people who live in their own make-believe world, like those believing wholeheartedly that the 2020 election was stolen. What will life be like when you can't trust any video or interview you see becaus…

I believe we'll go back to trusting local experts that you can meet in person to confirm that they are not a bot.

Because anything online will be known to be untrustworthy. Most blogs, chat groups and social media posts will be spam bots. And it'll be impossible for the average person to tell the difference between chatting with a bot and chatting with a human. But humans crave social connections and intimate physical contact. So people will get used to the fact that whoever you meet online is likely fake and so they'll start meeting people in the real world again.

I also predict that some advanced AIs will be classified as drugs, because people get so hooked on them that it destroys their life. We've already banned abusive loot box gambling mechanics in some EU countries, and I think abusive AI systems are next. We'll probably also age-limit generative AI models like DALL-E, due to their ability to generate naughty and/or disturbing images.

But overall, I believe we will just starting to treat everything online as fake, except in the rare case that you message a person which you have previously met in real life (to confirm their human-ness).

Re: NeRF: An eventual successor for deepfakes?

#17

Post by idontwantthis »

RubyRidgeRandy wrote: post #4

Something I've wondered lately is what will life be like in a post-truth society? we already see examples of this now where a large number of people get their news from fake memes on facebook. There are huge swathes of people who live in their own make-believe world, like those believing wholeheartedly that the 2020 election was stolen. What will life be like when you can't trust any video or interview you see becaus…

This doesn’t bother me that much because evidence isn’t required to convince millions of people that a lie is true. We already know this. Why make fake evidence that could be debunked when you can just have no evidence instead?

Re: NeRF: An eventual successor for deepfakes?

#18

Post by andruby »

irjustin wrote: post #11
strohwueste wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about nft-based camera recording?

This has been discussed many times and it doesn't work. Simple answer is I can just record a deep fake and get it cryptographically signed.

If you trust a person (or source) and they have a private key that they can properly secure, they could always sign their material with that key. That would prove that the source provided that material.

A blockchain could be a way to store and publish that signature & hash.

It can't say "this is real", it can only say "that signature belongs to source X".

Re: NeRF: An eventual successor for deepfakes?

#19

Post by newswasboring »

fxtentacle wrote: post #16
RubyRidgeRandy wrote: post #4

Something I've wondered lately is what will life be like in a post-truth society? we already see examples of this now where a large number of people get their news from fake memes on facebook. There are huge swathes of people who live in their own make-believe world, like those believing wholeheartedly that the 2020 election was stolen. What will life be like when you can't trust any video or interview you see becaus…

I believe we'll go back to trusting local experts that you can meet in person to confirm that they are not a bot. Because anything online will be known to be untrustworthy. Most blogs, chat groups and social media posts will be spam bots. And it'll be impossible for the average person to tell the difference between chatting with a bot and chatting with a human. But humans crave social connections and intimate physica…

Your second paragraph is very intriguing. I never really thought about this. I wonder if people will actually be able to restrict usage though. Its software, and historically it has been hard to restrict it. Of course cloud based systems have two advantages, software is hidden behind the API and they have really powerful systems. But the former requires a single lapse in security to leak and latter just requires time till consumer hardware can catch up. If I use past data to predict future (which might be a bad idea in this case), it might be almost impossible to restrict AI software.
Post reply on HN