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As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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The thing with cannabis (with THC) is that it makes doing nothing OK so you may realize after some time of daily use that you have accepted doing nothing as a legit activity, contrarily when not high you'd either do something to utilize that time or may feel bad that you have nothing to do (bored). Cannabis has not much of physical addiction properties which is great yet one day you may find 10 years have got behind…

I can't really relate to this. There is a spectrum of how high you get. Maybe we should distinguish between getting super stoned, just sitting on the couch watching TV and smoking half a joint, going for a walk in nature and listen to music or cook or bake.

Stoned is the former, high is the latter.

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Flat-out 24/7 high would be 100/day. Pot is a drug that successful people can sustain without any financial issues. Compare cocaine which can quickly ramp into 1000/day and beyond, quickly devastating the finances of even relatively wealthy people.

Bruh I can cop $99/oz and that lasts me for 2 months. If I wanted to be permafried, maybe 2-3 weeks.

RIP

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The real danger with cannabis is not that it'll make you sick or have some nasty side effect like this article describes. The danger is simply that you will like it, you'll end up using it every day, all different times of the day, and it won't really hurt your health as much as it will make you live your life in a somewhat dopey, detached, less-intelligent way. As time goes on it won't feel "fun" it'll just feel "no…

Watched my dad struggle with this for much of his life. Smoked (cigarettes) from 12 until his early 50s, and pot from some point early in life until late 50s. Struggled for years to quit both, but he says the pot was harder to give up. It may not be a physiological addiction, but you can sure develop a strong habitual/emotional dependency. Certainly watching him struggle with it was enough to make me never want to go…

Did he "need something" before he started trying things? Or only after?

PS Love your work on AutoTempest; the top ten lists I found with some clicking (maybe a partner thing) were really enjoyable.

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My friend, I am trusting academia, but I also know how flawed it can be. If anyone has a bias right now, it seems to be you and the bias is towards always trusting academic research without thinking for yourself. > "If this is extractable to the general population, approximately 2.75 million (2.13-3.38 million) Americans may suffer annually from a phenomenon similar to CHS." Well, it is most definitely not extractabl…

Everything you've said is contradictory to reality, and you are displaying a fundamental misunderstanding of science and statistics. I won't engage with your increasingly childish antics, but I will make one last attempt at making you recognize your mistakes, in the very unlikely event that you're willing to learn from them. > 2127 patients that are already in the ER, for various possible reasons. Invalid dataset. Yo…

Alright, enough trolling for now.

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"teens are getting sick vaping the strongest shit we've ever created" Well no shit. I'm an adult that has smoked weed for 15 years now and even in my late 30's I can't handle more than a few hits of concentrated wax/oils. How is this any different from 15 year olds sneaking their parents everclear to make some strong punch? Is it the drugs fault or the fact that we suck at keeping substances out of the hands of minor…

Its the drugs fault. If the drug causes negative effects on a large subset of the people who use them, that is a problem with the drug.

People who use them illegally and without caution in this case.

Realistically its a lack of drug education. It isn't hard to understand high powered versions of a substance will be much stronger in effect. We see the same issue with people chugging down energy drinks with 350mg+ of caffeine and complaining of the end result.

At some point people have to learn.

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I track my cannabis consumption. Every time I buy I record the weight, price, date, and strain info. My daily consumption in grams per day averages out to 1.5g. Yet there are days when I'm consuming 3+ grams, and if you look at my spreadsheet you can see that more often then not those heavy days fall in a row. I'm not having days where I intake more THC, I'm having days where I consume more cannabis than normal from…

virtually no teenagers or college students do any of this.

We were fairly aware of our usage and strain potency back in University in 2007. But this just might be what happens when you get a bunch of stoner biology, engineering, and tech students all living together.

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There's distance and then there's distance . You can be a serious endurance athlete but focus on shorter races, with judicious use of low-impact cross training to reduce the risk of injuries while still building an aerobic base.

I only have done a few marathon or longer races. When I was running regularly I would do 25-30 miles a week. It is doing that for decades which messes you up eventually.

It really depends on running form and individual physiology. Some runners are more resilient than others, and using good technique makes a major difference in injury risk.

But my point is that you can run reasonably fast in races with fairly low running mileage. Do most of the base and tempo workouts cross training on an elliptical machine or something, and save the running for interval workouts.

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Great. Are you an outlier or a typical user?

I definitely think I'm smoking more than most people but I don't think I'm that extreme. Maybe 80th percentile, not 99th.

It can vary pretty wildly. I've dialed back my consumption to an ounce of ~19% THC strains per two months for financial reasons. Which falls in line with some of my peer group (mid to late 30's friends). But I also live in a state where its still illegal recreationally so I don't have a shop around the corner yet. Meanwhile my friend in the same state with a medical card has a habit of grabbing their largest bong and pounding out 1 gram bowls sometimes consuming an ounce a week of 20-25% strains. Even if I had the money and access I doubt I could pull that off.

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This line has been reliably trotted out every few years since the 1990s at least: But experts say today’s high-THC cannabis products — vastly different than the joints smoked decades ago — are poisoning some heavy users, including teenagers. The issue is that people adjust their consumption accordingly, just as with alcohol - drinking one liter of beer, everyone knows, is not the same as drinking one liter of vodka.…

The problem is that it's almost impossible to find the "beer" of weed now. Almost all weed has been upgraded to be super powered. If I want a joint, I have to use tobacco or catnip to fill it out unless I want to be steaming. I also think that the weed culture is hostile against suggestions of problems. Almost every time I have spoken about possible dangers of weed, even when presenting peer reviewed articles or meta…

Everyone I know who wants the lite beer of weed has turned to home growing. I wish I lived in a state that allowed me to do that without fear.

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I know a cannabis entrepreneur who makes high-quality gummies standardized to 150 mg THC which is, I think, too much. As a cannabis experienced user I find these make me feel hosed for six hours or so. It may or may not be a good time, but I'm certainly not going to do more than lay on my ass. If I take half of one of those (75 mg) it is a strong intoxication, pretty consistently a good time, and I can go for a walk,…

Is this in the US? What state? I've only seen menus in NJ, IL, and most edibles are like 5-10mg per piece and seem to top out at 25mg per piece, but those tend to be big pieces that look like they are meant to be broken apart (like a Hershey bar). I think setting national standards around this would be just one benefit of legalizing recreational use at the federal level.

In Colorado I saw gummies and candies ranging from 5 to 25mg per piece. Chocolate bars with up to 100MG per bar (the size of a typical chocolate bar). Single serving granola packs with THC honey in 50 and 75mg types. IIRC nothing stronger than 100mg per item was allowed but I was only passing through the state.
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