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As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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Post by bryans »

Mo3 wrote: post #278
bryans wrote: post #273

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You don't have any understanding of what CHS is or how it works, so it's entirely inappropriate for you to be making claims about how anyone who suffers from it must be "stupid or naive." From behaviors, to how strains work, to how people get sick, absolutely none of what you said has any foundation in reality.

Listen, if you start to suffer from conditions like this after heavy chronic usage, you simply stop using, or you are, in fact, stupid. It's not that hard. It's also not nearly as common as this article tries to propagate, so my statements still stand and I am absolutely certain 98-99% of "sickness" is not because of a rare condition that mostly only happens to the top quantile of chronic and/or concentrate users. If…

Your commentary isn't appropriate for HN, isn't based on any actual knowledge of the subject, and the very premise is based on information you made up in your head. CHS isn't rare and doesn't require extreme dosage, and most people don't get diagnosed for years, if ever.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29327809/

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Post by jerf »

slg wrote: post #90
jerf wrote: post #74

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It is brought up with other things. Perhaps you are extra sensitive about the weed topic for your own personal reasons. "Video games" is a particularly bad counter example, there's a lot of chatter around video game addictiveness and what it can do to vulnerable minds. There's always been some low-key discussion of it but the increasing prevalence of "loot boxes" and their corresponding mechanics have not just increa…

You are debating a different aspect of video games. The complaint against loot boxes is not that they prevent video game players from reaching their true productive potential. They don't do that. The problem with loot boxes is that they are exploitative.

I'm not "debating" anything. I'm pointing out that people have been complaining about video games for a while, and that the loot boxes in particular have amped that debate up. But they did not create it. Video games have been accused of rotting brains (the favored rhetorical formulation of this accusation for whatever reason) for my entire life. I'm pointing to the existing debates as evidence of this.

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Post by mountainriver »

maxbond wrote: post #232
lacker wrote: post #57

The real danger with cannabis is not that it'll make you sick or have some nasty side effect like this article describes. The danger is simply that you will like it, you'll end up using it every day, all different times of the day, and it won't really hurt your health as much as it will make you live your life in a somewhat dopey, detached, less-intelligent way. As time goes on it won't feel "fun" it'll just feel "no…

On and off daily marijuana user. I don't feel "dopey and less intelligent" when I smoke weed at all times of the day. It actually has very little impact on me. But it does help me deal with my chronic anxiety issues. I take breaks regularly. Sometimes I get into a place where I can't operate in my day to day life because of intrusive thoughts. When I smoke I'm able to break out of cycles of repetitive thought and mak…

Agree, also a nightly user and I feel way better doing it. I feel more intelligent and better rested.

Also agree that the op shouldn’t speak in generalizations around this.

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Post by jb1991 »

photochemsyn wrote: post #19

This line has been reliably trotted out every few years since the 1990s at least: But experts say today’s high-THC cannabis products — vastly different than the joints smoked decades ago — are poisoning some heavy users, including teenagers. The issue is that people adjust their consumption accordingly, just as with alcohol - drinking one liter of beer, everyone knows, is not the same as drinking one liter of vodka.…

> The issue is that people adjust their consumption accordingly

That was definitely not true in my case. I used to consume pretty high-% THC hash throughout the day. At first it was strong and I did it once every day or two. But you get tolerant and can handle a lot more. Eventually I was smoking hash several times a day and I ended up with a lot of the symptoms described in this article (though I am in my 30s). I realized I needed to quit, and the off-ramp was terribly long and frightening; I was very hooked both physically and emotionally and I haven't touched any form of THC since, though it did take me close to a year to feel normal again.

Interesting to me that sharing my experience with THC addiction has deserved downvotes. Sigh.

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Post by _j5l3 »

LazyMans wrote: post #268
R0b0t1 wrote: post #245

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Indica or sativa? Most people with complaints as you describe are smoking indica, sativa is more appropriate for social situations, but can still make you get stuck in your head. Most people I know who use sativa find it helps their creativity.

If one more person tries to tell me it's strain... Both, any mixture, any strain. Edibles, vaping, smoking, all of it. Some of the more pleasant times are when I mix up ABV (already vaped weed) into edibles. Those I can get weak enough and with only the more stony compounds remaining where it can be pleasant, but it still turns me into a drooling idiot with absolutely horrific munchies.

> If one more person tries to tell me it's strain

It's like telling an alcoholic to try switching from vodka to tequila, because vodka makes you angry and depressed but tequila makes you a fun drunk. THC is THC, and any difference is psychosomatic.

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Post by alex504 »

officeplant wrote: post #290

"teens are getting sick vaping the strongest shit we've ever created" Well no shit. I'm an adult that has smoked weed for 15 years now and even in my late 30's I can't handle more than a few hits of concentrated wax/oils. How is this any different from 15 year olds sneaking their parents everclear to make some strong punch? Is it the drugs fault or the fact that we suck at keeping substances out of the hands of minor…

Its the drugs fault.

If the drug causes negative effects on a large subset of the people who use them, that is a problem with the drug.

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Post by xvedejas »

jamal-kumar wrote: post #269
mesofile wrote: post #119

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I thought the way that South Park put it (in the voice of Randy Marsh) many years ago was just about perfect: “Well, Stan, the truth is marijuana probably isn't gonna make you kill people, and ...it most likely isn't gonna fund terrorists, but... Well son, pot makes you feel fine with being bored and... It's when you're bored that you should be learning some new skill or discovering some new science or... being creat…

I think it's a substance that can lend itself really well to the creative aspects if used in moderation and with something like taking continuous notes so you don't lose those thoughts and ideas. I've come up with some really great stuff while moderately stoned, and while I don't consume it on a daily anymore, I can't understate the importance of having some way of recording those thoughts as soon as you come up with…

Drug use can be a good excuse to put some time aside to let your mind wander, so I see why people end up getting creative on THC. And if you practice creativity while stoned, it makes sense that you'll be more creative while stoned. Like my friend who learned to juggle high, and yet cannot do it when he's sober.

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Post by runarberg »

rayiner wrote: post #267
dfxm12 wrote: post #246

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South Park also put it well when they understood that total abstinence is not the only way to deal with the situation. Maybe all it takes is a little discipline. After all, there's a passive danger in many things we do or neglect to do.

> South Park also put it well when they understood that total abstinence is not the only way to deal with the situation. Maybe all it takes is a little discipline. Exercising a "little discipline" doesn't really work for addictive substances. In my experience, high-functioning people with tons of impulse control often don't appreciate that others around them have more limited capacity for that. Despite drinking a lot…

The south park’s point in that episode wasn’t to deny the existence of substance abuse disorder. Rather the point was that not everyone that does dumb stuff one time while drinking has it.

In this episode Randy didn’t have Substance abuse disorder. He took the kids for a drive after drinking. He was caught and the court ordered him to undergo treatment despite there not being any proof that he was an alcoholic.

This mentality that anyone that does something dumb or illegal while drunk has a problem does no service for either those that actually have substance abuse disorder, nor for criminal justice. You should be responsible for your own actions, and if you are sick you need treatment. But ordering people to undergo treatment after a crime despite no evidence of a disorder is just plain bad. mkay.

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Post by Synaesthesia »

lacker wrote: post #57

The real danger with cannabis is not that it'll make you sick or have some nasty side effect like this article describes. The danger is simply that you will like it, you'll end up using it every day, all different times of the day, and it won't really hurt your health as much as it will make you live your life in a somewhat dopey, detached, less-intelligent way. As time goes on it won't feel "fun" it'll just feel "no…

It actually can make you feel sick if you smoke too much, there is a rare syndrome called Cannabis Hyperemesis Syndrome, and it's agonizing.
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