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As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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Post by slg »

habitue wrote: post #76
slg wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is this topic always brought up regarding weed, but nothing else? Should we make video games illegal because they can cause some people to live a lethargic and less productive life?

Video games are a similar threat to living a fulfilling life, absolutely. Definitely not the exact same kind of threat, since video games don't make you dumber like pot, but there is a real risk that a person substitutes accomplishing things in real life in favor of accomplishing things in a video game. Your comment is kind of whataboutism. You're not really refuting what he's saying, just bringing up a separate topi…

I wasn't trying to refute the idea. The idea is true. The question is whether we should worry about it.

Using weed is a recreation activity. Most recreation activities will have a negative impact on your life if they are not done in moderation. I don't think that is necessarily a problem and the fact that this generally isn't discussed in other contexts might indicate that people are subconsciously using this an excuse when their true objections to weed originate somewhere else.

Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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Post by collegeburner »

slg wrote: post #69
lacker wrote: post #57

The real danger with cannabis is not that it'll make you sick or have some nasty side effect like this article describes. The danger is simply that you will like it, you'll end up using it every day, all different times of the day, and it won't really hurt your health as much as it will make you live your life in a somewhat dopey, detached, less-intelligent way. As time goes on it won't feel "fun" it'll just feel "no…

Why is this topic always brought up regarding weed, but nothing else? Should we make video games illegal because they can cause some people to live a lethargic and less productive life?

Parents have been complaining for literally decades that videogames make kids lazy or that "tv rots your brain". And I have seen videogame overuse fuck up people's academics and careers.

Weed bros get real touchy when anybody suggests something bad about it. Inb4 "alcohol is worse". I'm still for legalization but people need to stop getting so defensive.

Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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Post by alexk307 »

akhmatova wrote: post #60
lacker wrote: post #57

The real danger with cannabis is not that it'll make you sick or have some nasty side effect like this article describes. The danger is simply that you will like it, you'll end up using it every day, all different times of the day, and it won't really hurt your health as much as it will make you live your life in a somewhat dopey, detached, less-intelligent way. As time goes on it won't feel "fun" it'll just feel "no…

You nailed it -- that's exactly what makes habitual use of the substance so insidious. Like, why deal with life (which involves risk and rejection, and ick, work ) when you can just blast trippy movies through your head all day? (Fun though these movies can be, for a while).

Have you ever used cannabis as a medicine or daily for a long period of time? Do you think we all just watch movies and act like morons all day? Why do you care if other people do or don’t want to deal with your version of life?

Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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Post by yieldcrv »

caymanjim wrote: post #22

Edibles are a real problem. The potency is completely unpredictable. Even the ones from supposedly-reputable medical providers are inconsistent at best. Some are total duds, some are far too potent for even experienced users. I'm sure some manufacturers are using some amount of science and engineering in an attempt to standardize, but I don't believe any of it is truly pharmaceutical-grade calibrated, or even close.…

> If we're going to continue this charade of pretending it's medicine

I consider them fun! I think edibles have their own audience, and the "experienced users" think their tolerance is in one place because of the low quality crap they simply used a lot off the street, but its really in a totally different place. (With other drugs, people often overdose for the same reason like they use a scale that was relevant 5 years ago and then OD because their tolerance changed and the drug concentration changed.)

Edibles are also basically a different drug after it gets processed by the liver, I think some additional consumer protection should be done

I am also 100% in agreement that FDA-level studies should exist, and that it is pathetic we just have random experiences from random jurisdictions.

Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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Post by teakettle42 »

slg wrote: post #69
lacker wrote: post #57

The real danger with cannabis is not that it'll make you sick or have some nasty side effect like this article describes. The danger is simply that you will like it, you'll end up using it every day, all different times of the day, and it won't really hurt your health as much as it will make you live your life in a somewhat dopey, detached, less-intelligent way. As time goes on it won't feel "fun" it'll just feel "no…

Why is this topic always brought up regarding weed, but nothing else? Should we make video games illegal because they can cause some people to live a lethargic and less productive life?

Video games don’t make you lethargic, less productive, and significantly less intelligent for days after playing them.

Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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Post by Mo3 »

AbortedLaunch wrote: post #78
Mo3 wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah.... I don't smoke every day, so that may be the reason you didn't get my point, anyway I'd bet a lot of money that the "some users" are exactly what I talked about. I'm not sure how you arrived at the conclusion that I am clearly not one of them. I, too, start showing symptoms of hyperemesis if I'm being stupid and smoke way too much, and I have never met or smoked with anyone who was resistant to it and had unl…

The hyperemesis described is not an acute OD-like effect, but happens to some chronic users. It wanes when cannabis use ceases. Very hot baths and showers help suppressing the nausea.

Then I stand partly corrected, thank you. I think I have heard about this happening before, but read it was a very very rare occurrence.

With that in mind, in any case - I can still not understand the logic of associating this phenomenon with "teens getting sick".

Also, if you cannot handle smoking weed chronically, maybe you should just stop. Personal responsibility again..

> Very hot baths and showers help suppressing the nausea.

For whatever it's worth, that is also applicable to acute overdose.

Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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Post by unethical_ban »

_fat_santa wrote: post #18
PaulHoule wrote: post #2

I know a cannabis entrepreneur who makes high-quality gummies standardized to 150 mg THC which is, I think, too much. As a cannabis experienced user I find these make me feel hosed for six hours or so. It may or may not be a good time, but I'm certainly not going to do more than lay on my ass. If I take half of one of those (75 mg) it is a strong intoxication, pretty consistently a good time, and I can go for a walk,…

I live in Colorado and they limit edibles to 10mg per piece/100mg per pack max. 150mg for a single gummy is a bit nuts though. As someone who smokes a good amount of weed, my recommendation to people it to always stick to just flower. I've tried it all, vaping, vaporizers (different than vaping, you're superheating flower rather than using an extract), edibles, and regular pot. From my personal experience, edibles la…

I don't know how people could regularly consume edibles that strong. Absolutely ridiculous.

Edibles in low doses are great, but flower seems to be the most natural and safe way to consume it in a predictably moderate dose (vs. a huge dose from edibles, or wax, etc.)

As an aside, I tried vapes again recently and they did almost nothing for me. Compared to a year ago when I tried one and got put on my ass quickly.

Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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Post by jayd16 »

teakettle42 wrote: post #105
slg wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is this topic always brought up regarding weed, but nothing else? Should we make video games illegal because they can cause some people to live a lethargic and less productive life?

Video games don’t make you lethargic, less productive, and significantly less intelligent for days after playing them.

For days? Neither does weed.

Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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Post by UncleMeat »

collegeburner wrote: post #102
slg wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is this topic always brought up regarding weed, but nothing else? Should we make video games illegal because they can cause some people to live a lethargic and less productive life?

Parents have been complaining for literally decades that videogames make kids lazy or that "tv rots your brain". And I have seen videogame overuse fuck up people's academics and careers. Weed bros get real touchy when anybody suggests something bad about it. Inb4 "alcohol is worse". I'm still for legalization but people need to stop getting so defensive.

All people want is for weed to be legal. These arguments about wasted lives are used to justify keeping it illegal.
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