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One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in Qatar

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Re: One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in Qatar

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Post by asdfataway2 »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #251
DoreenMichele wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

http://nirmukta.com/2011/10/13/misyar-temporary-marriage-in-... A quick Google tells me they probably practice temporary marriage as well but call it something else (and details differ). Anyone actually knowledgeable, please chime in.

The article you link pretty clearly identifies this form of "temporary marriage" as being the equivalent of a long-term mistress relationship rather than an encounter with a prostitute.

>> The article you link pretty clearly identifies this form of "temporary marriage" as being the equivalent of a long-term mistress relationship rather than an encounter with a prostitute.

No, because legally the spouse then has all the rights of a marriage (alimony, etc.) Prostitutes do not get alimony.

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Post by mercy_dude »

sshine wrote: post #9

https://gctpnews.org/qatar-2022-world-cup-death-toll/ "The name of the current [migrant worker employment] system is kafala, a system forcing all migrants to be sponsored and subsequently tied to an employer. The kafala system has been frequently described as modern day slavery due to its exploitative nature. This employer controls housing, wages, travel, and the well being of each employee." "[...] an estimated 4,00…

> The name of the current [migrant worker employment] system is kafala, a system forcing all migrants to be sponsored and subsequently tied to an employer.

Isn’t that exactly like how the L1/H1B system in US work? Employer sponsoring and being tied to the employer till the lottery?

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Post by ajross »

treeman79 wrote: post #293
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #82

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And why don't we in the west sanction them or refuse to trade with them for this practice? Not only that but we're actively supporting these regimes and selling them cutting edge weapons. Why is that? 'checks notes' Oh, right, oil.

Well we could produce it all locally instead of having the president begging them to pump more

We do, effectively.

North America produces enough petroleum today to meet its own needs[1]. But the rest of the world doesn't, middle east oil is cheap relative to offshore or (especially) fracked petroleum, and at the end of the day fuels are a fungible commodity and our local prices reflect demand in the rest of the world.

The bit about "dependence on foreign oil" you're hearing is largely spin. Supply is not the problem. Pump more and we'll just use more.

[1] Which is not to say we don't import or export any. Markets are markets.

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Post by zelphirkalt »

mrleinad wrote: post #225
monkey_monkey wrote: post #169

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> And why don't we in the west sanction them or refuse to trade with them for this practice? I wish we would. Possibly the one good thing coming out of the Russian invasion of Ukraine is a realization that depending on oil and gas leaves you very vulnerable and that alternative sources of energy must become more common.

Most countries on earth simply cease to function as they are doing now with alternative eco-friendly energy sources. Applying alternative energy sources where it doesn't make sense to do so ends up throwing billions of dollars on having solar panels where they can never generate the energy they theoretically could (Germany, I'm looking at you)

I do not know, whether this is true, but: When I was in school, we learned in geography class, that one could power the whole EU, if we occupied some area of the Sahara desert with solar panels, at least when looking at raw energy output, disregarding day night differences and possibly hot and cold environment that a desert is.

I guess humanity is still not ready for such projects of enormous cooperation between countries, or, that there are too many things in the way, like said temperature rise at day and fall at night, the vast distance the energy would need to be transported (is that a problem?) and maintenance work somewhere in the desert. One can still hope, that some day we will be able to think globally and solve problems that way.

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Post by asdfataway2 »

khazhoux wrote: post #189
mensetmanusman wrote: post #137

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If only everything were so black and white. Every country has facets of barbarism.

Whataboutism won’t change the barbarity of imprisoning consenting adults for having sex or being gay.

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Post by loudmax »

mrleinad wrote: post #225
monkey_monkey wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And why don't we in the west sanction them or refuse to trade with them for this practice? I wish we would. Possibly the one good thing coming out of the Russian invasion of Ukraine is a realization that depending on oil and gas leaves you very vulnerable and that alternative sources of energy must become more common.

Most countries on earth simply cease to function as they are doing now with alternative eco-friendly energy sources. Applying alternative energy sources where it doesn't make sense to do so ends up throwing billions of dollars on having solar panels where they can never generate the energy they theoretically could (Germany, I'm looking at you)

In the long term, most countries on earth will not be able to function as they are now if they don't switch to alternative energy sources.

This will involve a mix of wind, solar, hydro, geothermal and nuclear on grids that span continents with massive battery stores to balance supply with demand. Between climate change and petroleum-fuelled kleptocrats, ditching fossil fuels is a necessity, not a choice. And the long term here is on the order of decades, not centuries, so within most of our our lifetimes.

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Post by Swenrekcah »

prvit wrote: post #275
Swenrekcah wrote: post #197

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Early 2021 numbers suggest 6500 had died by then. https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2021/feb/23/r...

Those numbers make no sense at all, as previously discussed https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30930117 In fact, if we take them at a face value, they suggest incredibly low death rates among immigrant workers in Qatar.

I read the discussion you linked and then calculated a bit and compared with my country. Turns out as you say, that this number isn't very high if it's all-cause mortality.

I don't think it's disputed though that migrant workers are treated inhumanely there. Not that Qatar would be the only community to treat migrant workers as second class people. It seems to be a case of a newspaper resorting to touting some numbers to make a point instead of reporting good information, which is sad.

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