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One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in Qatar

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Post by mikkergp »

nemo44x wrote: post #261
moomoo11 wrote: post #233

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Lol it’s also every single company ever. Look at the US/Western twitter accounts of major corporations and they’re all rainbows. Then look at their Middle East or other regions twitter accounts.. the only color they care about is green. Everything else is marketing backed by legal. I was selected for a project in a Gulf country and we had a preliminary session where I got an eye opener. Basically, no women or gays, n…

> the only color they care about is green. As it should be. Corporations should not have many opinions and should operate within the law. If corporate leaders or employees don’t like it then they can spend their free time lobbying or campaigning for politicians that want to change things. Only after the law is changed should the company make a change. Until then, business as usual.

Weird take in a forum for an industry built on “disruption”

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Post by dominotw »

spacemanmatt wrote: post #271
cjrp wrote: post #254

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H1B sponsors don’t hold your passport.

H1B visas have a similar effect of promoting longer employments and lower wages compared to the local workforce with regular liberty.

"similar effect"s are not relevant here. H1B are free to go back to their home country at will.

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Post by treeman79 »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #82
TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #71

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The gulf states are modern-day slave societies.

And why don't we in the west sanction them or refuse to trade with them for this practice? Not only that but we're actively supporting these regimes and selling them cutting edge weapons. Why is that? 'checks notes' Oh, right, oil.

Well we could produce it all locally instead of having the president begging them to pump more

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Post by falcolas »

Someone wrote: post #168

So, just get married for a night, then ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikah_mut%27ah : “Nikah mut'ah Arabic: نكاح المتعة, romanized: nikāḥ al-mutʿah, literally "pleasure marriage"; temporary marriage: 1045 or Sigheh (Persian: صیغه ، ازدواج موقت) is a private and verbal temporary marriage contract that is practiced in Twelver Shia Islam in which the duration of the marriage and the mahr must be specified and agreed u…

And then the woman must wait and prove she is not pregnant before remarrying.

Just the woman.

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Post by spacemanmatt »

dominotw wrote: post #292
spacemanmatt wrote: post #271

Earlier quoted context omitted.

H1B visas have a similar effect of promoting longer employments and lower wages compared to the local workforce with regular liberty.

"similar effect"s are not relevant here. H1B are free to go back to their home country at will.

That assumes a lot of things that aren't true of the H1B holders I've met through work.

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Post by suture »

danamit wrote: post #279
suture wrote: post #141

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In Saudi Arabia, Gulf States, and elsewhere in the region migrant workers have their passport taken by the employer and thus can’t leave the country. They are stuck. In most other countries the employer does not confiscate your passport. It’s weird to me that one needs a passport to leave a country. In the U.S. you don’t need a passport to leave.

That's not legal, and it doesn't happen in cases of the kind of workers you are talking about. Taking passport or treating to be accused of rape and similar things happen (not commonly) to domestic workers and drivers. In occasions they buy the right of Kafala from the Kafil for a couple of $1000s and you leaving before your contract ends feel to them like a loss of money, I would say the situation here is indeed sim…

According to the following link confiscating of passports is common in Bahrain for migrant workers.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2012/09/30/bahrain-abuse-migrant-wo...

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Post by SnowHill9902 »

__s wrote: post #161
harry8 wrote: post #149

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If you get raped and report it as though you were in a civilized place you will be arrested and charged with adultery. For being raped.

Deuteronomy 22-22:29 is good stuff

Deuteronomy 22-25 says literally the opposite. Only the rapist is punished.

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Post by jleyank »

cloutchaser wrote: post #269
jleyank wrote: post #3

This is where ethics and money collide. If you participate, you’re complicit. The players are comfortable enough to say no, and the punters can stick to the local pub or even bite hard and “stay home” entirely - let the advertisers know. Talk it cheap. Actions mean more but both have costs. Willing to pay?

Taking another example - I HIGHLY doubt every single BLM kneeling player actually agrees with it. But they do it because their priority is playing football, and it's better to stay silent and focus on the football. Which I think is actually fair enough. You might actually destroyed your entire career in this case by taking a principled stand, and you are being forced to participate in something against your will. In…

Well, to draw examples from the US, Curt Flood tossed his baseball career to break the reserve clause. Cassius Clay/Muhammad Ali lost years of work due to Vietnam. Colin Kaepernick tossed his football career to showcase racism. I'm sure there's non-US examples but those are what came to mind. I don't mind people "going along to get along", but I respect those who put themselves at risk if they're talking RL issues.

But as I wrote previously, if you profit from the action your criticism is less valuable. Perhaps better to not make yourself look bad?

EDIT: I'm sure there's some in the HN community that have given up (big) bucks to work on things they find ethical and appropriate rather than taking the cash to sell ads and monitor people. Perhaps they can enlighten this discussion if they wish?

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Post by asdfataway2 »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #82
TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The gulf states are modern-day slave societies.

And why don't we in the west sanction them or refuse to trade with them for this practice? Not only that but we're actively supporting these regimes and selling them cutting edge weapons. Why is that? 'checks notes' Oh, right, oil.

No post body was provided.

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Post by vrc »

suture wrote: post #141
danamit wrote: post #105

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It is not about the Kafala system, since even the West has similar systems. It is that they treat migrant workers that are not highly skilled specially from specific backgrounds bad.

In Saudi Arabia, Gulf States, and elsewhere in the region migrant workers have their passport taken by the employer and thus can’t leave the country. They are stuck. In most other countries the employer does not confiscate your passport. It’s weird to me that one needs a passport to leave a country. In the U.S. you don’t need a passport to leave.

If you’ve ever been to a GCC country, you’ll notice that passport control when leaving is extremely long. It’s filled with South Asian men (and some women) who are put through the ringer by the officials and often pulled aside for extra questioning before being able to board a flight. They all seem to be on pins and needles
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