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One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in Qatar

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Re: One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in Qatar

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Temporary marriage is probably the way people in Qatar get around that. It's probably an alien concept for a lot of Westerners who wouldn't know or would balk at the idea. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikah_mut%27ah

Probably not, Qatar is mostly sunni islam.

http://nirmukta.com/2011/10/13/misyar-temporary-marriage-in-...

A quick Google tells me they probably practice temporary marriage as well but call it something else (and details differ).

Anyone actually knowledgeable, please chime in.

Re: One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in Qatar

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a) not everyone on this forum is from the US b) 2 things can be objectively bad at the same time. It should be ok to criticize Qatar from within the US without needing to preface your nationality.

No, but Y Combinator is in the US. If these things are really so objectionable I'd expect there should be boycotting of HN along with boycotting of Qatar.

The OP submission has nothing to do with slavery in the first place. If your gonna bring up irrelevant moral issues, they should at least be ones that are unique.

Re: One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in Qatar

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Singapore uses public caning. This stuff seems common in city-states.

Small area means less space to put large prisons on it - which means punishment moves to more corporeal and less incarceration. Especially with "morality" laws, where there is no real reason to protect society from a "criminal", that may be a good way to handle things. I'd guess many folks sitting in prison in the US for smoking weed would much rather have a few whips with a cane than losing years and years doing not…

> Small area means less space to put large prisons on it - which means punishment moves to more corporeal and less incarceration

Did you just make it up?

Re: One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in Qatar

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So countries that trample human and women rights (and everything that comes from it like child marriage, slavery etc) are just a matter of culture? No problems in the world then, just different culture?

Technically yes - what makes your opinion on how life should be more correct than their opinion?

Well, this line of reasoning will end up going Godwin in a hurry.

But for entertainment value, to make a different argument against moral relativism: A higher proportion of people from Qatar would like to e.g. live in Europe than the proportion of Europeans who would like to live in Qatar, and vastly higher if we take relative social standing into account.

I'm sure there are plenty of ethical questions where a hypothetical, neutral outside observer would have trouble choosing. There are more ethical question where the neutral outside observer would easily be able to discriminate what cultural traits they preferred, while at the same time understanding why those sub-optimal cultural traits came to be and play a role in that particular society. Imagine sexual mores in a society with no birth control, lots of hard labor and the preference for peaceful succession due to early accumulation of capital (farms), for instance. It's easy to understand what role traditional and restrictive morals has in such a society, while at the same time acknowledging that living within the morals of such society would be a giant step down in quality of life.

So that's the complex argument. But that all ethics is generally speaking relative from a human perspective, can be trivially disproven by pointing out ethical standards that almost all societies except those that have them will find repugnant. Consider e.g. genital mutilation or institutionalized child abuse.

Re: One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in Qatar

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This is whataboutism.

Every critic of the USA is whataboutism. USA just has to start a critique first, and then yell "whataboutism" when confronted with double standards. Problem solved.

But this article has nothing to do with the USA. We’re here discussing Qatar, and invoking America adds nothing to the conversation. This is the problem with whataboutism: it is the attempt to shut down the discussion of a grievance, by pointing out a grievance done elsewhere.

Re: One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in Qatar

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Why is no one trying to kick Qatar out of the Swift network?

Let's not pretend that Russia got kicked out due to their less than ideal stance on gay rights, freedom of the press or straight up murders of dissidents in foreign countries. Mounting a full on invasion of a neighboring country is not the same.

Indirectly they did. Let's consider this hypothetical case: Russia as fully established democracy with all individual freemdoms anyone can think of. Then Russia invades Ukraine, e.g. to fight corruption there, or for the rights of minorities. In that case, would Ukrain fight back the same they do in reality? Large part of their motivation is not to end up in the non-free Russian system. But what if the agressor does not intend to remove freedom? Without significant resistance, the west would not have had time to react to support. Media would not help people to form an oppinion that support is needed. It would be over quickly, soon forgotten like Crimea, and Russia not kicked out if swift.

Therefore, Russia got kicked out of swift due to lack of democracy, human rights etc. Of corse they needed to start a war, too, but neither war nor lack of freedoms alone would not have been sufficient.

Re: One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in Qatar

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https://gctpnews.org/qatar-2022-world-cup-death-toll/ "The name of the current [migrant worker employment] system is kafala, a system forcing all migrants to be sponsored and subsequently tied to an employer. The kafala system has been frequently described as modern day slavery due to its exploitative nature. This employer controls housing, wages, travel, and the well being of each employee." "[...] an estimated 4,00…

Early 2021 numbers suggest 6500 had died by then.

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2021/feb/23/r...

Re: One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in Qatar

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"public displays of affection are frowned upon regardless of sexual orientation" That, I agree with.

One night stands get a spotlight here but the crux of the issue is not the acts themselves; every society has its cultural norms and taboos. The main thing is how the society treats its rule-breakers, outliers, deviants, the people who don't fit. In the UK you're free to both practice and condemn premarital sex. In Quatar, the act could be punished by up to 100 lashes.

Re: One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in Qatar

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https://gctpnews.org/qatar-2022-world-cup-death-toll/ "The name of the current [migrant worker employment] system is kafala, a system forcing all migrants to be sponsored and subsequently tied to an employer. The kafala system has been frequently described as modern day slavery due to its exploitative nature. This employer controls housing, wages, travel, and the well being of each employee." "[...] an estimated 4,00…

> a system forcing all migrants to be sponsored and subsequently tied to an employer

So, like an H1B?

Re: One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in Qatar

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Interesting that with something as big as football, the organisers can get away with a lot of bad taste decisions. They can host wherever they want and they will be guaranteed a sufficient turnout thanks to the absolute massiveness of the fanbase. Woman's rights or workers rights in a faraway country? Fat load of nothing issues for many who want to see their country in the semis.

I mean just look at this thread; most people are already unloading their frustration on Qatar and the UAE. I don't agree with a lot of stuff that they do, I should say. But it's FIFA that let them do this. If fans are gonna let them do that then host countries are free to do what they want. Corruption is the problem
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