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Re: Contra Wirecutter on the IKEA air purifier

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Which is great in theory, until you realise that unions can and do exploit workers too. Collectives of people (whether corporations, unions, or entire countries) tend towards corruption as they scale. History has shown that large unions are similarly prone to exploitation and corruption.

> History has shown that large unions are similarly prone to exploitation and corruption. Mostly in the US, it seems. Unions in Europe are healthy and effective. The key difference IMO is the interest people show in democracy and holding delegates accountable.

Here is my experience with "public" unions. When I was working at a public research institute, employees were kind of forced to enter a union. It seemed ok because union's cut was paid by government. Government just wants to look cute to public eye and EU. That union were more or less useless and just collecting huge sums of money. Where does that money goes nobody dares to check. My wife also had to enter a Teacher's union and that is a much larger scam. IMO, Most public unions are parasites living on free government money.

Re: Contra Wirecutter on the IKEA air purifier

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If you're pro-something, surly you'd want people to do it?

I’m pro-choice - does this mean that I think every fetus should be aborted?

If you're pro-choice then I wouldn't expect you to say that in some cases you'd be offended if the person had a choice.

Re: Contra Wirecutter on the IKEA air purifier

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> Second, and a minor point, the 0.3-micron standard related to the US HEPA standard, not the EU one. It is true that acording to IKEA it doesn't meet the EU standard for HEPA (barely), but we don't know whether it meets the US one. Wikipedia cites this statement: > Common standards require that a HEPA air filter must remove—from the air that passes through—at least 99.95% (ISO, European Standard) [...] of particles…

From the same Wikipedia page: > The specification used in the European Union: European Standard EN 1822-1:2009, from which ISO 29463 is derived,[4] defines several classes of filters by their retention at the given most penetrating particle size (MPPS): Efficient Particulate Air filters (EPA), HEPA and Ultra Low Particulate Air filters (ULPA). The Wikipedia citation goes to a specification which is, annoyingly, not f…

Technically, if retention at the most penetrating particle size is 99.95%, then retention at the 0.3 micron level is at least 99.95%.

But obviously measurement is not actually done at the most penetrating particle size, because retention at that size would be indistinguishable from zero. It isn't clear what they mean when they say "most penetrating particle size".

> defines several classes of filters by their retention at the given most penetrating particle size

If the MPPS is given... what is it?

Re: Contra Wirecutter on the IKEA air purifier

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Since we are among experts here, please recommend the best air filters available to retail customers and I will gladly whatever price for the peace of mind, since I am not an expert and trust sites like Wirecutter over Amazon type of reviews.

Seriously. I’m just left sitting here wondering which damn air purifier to buy for my kitchen.

Likewise. All the debunking and debunking debunking means I have no actual choice. If anything things are more muddy. Welcome to adulthood I guess.

Re: Contra Wirecutter on the IKEA air purifier

#625

The Wirecutter is a highly flawed review site, but at least it's a real one. There are vanishingly few left for general consumer products. There's WC, Consumer Reports, and what else? They've seem to have all been killed off. When I'm researching some category of product, I feel lucky if I find any professional reviews written by people who have actually touched the thing they're reviewing. I know we've all had the e…

> The Wirecutter is a highly flawed review site, but at least it's a real one. There are vanishingly few left for general consumer products. There's WC, Consumer Reports, and what else? I like America's Test Kitchen for kitchen-y stuff. Project Farm (on YouTube) for tools / DIY stuff perhaps.

> I like America's Test Kitchen for kitchen-y stuff.

For me, America’s Test Kitchen compromises on quality too much for the sake of convenience. And perhaps that is their target audience, but they dismissed Demeyere’s cookware out of hand for being too heavy and unwieldy, whereas a site like centurylife uses IR cameras and probe thermometers to actually measure heat distribution and retention across different cookware sets.

I don’t understand the “too heavy” complaint anyway; people cook with cast iron (Lodge / Le Creuset) all the time, and it is significantly heavier than Demeyere.

Re: Contra Wirecutter on the IKEA air purifier

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I'm hopeful for LMG's lab too. It's still a bit of a gamble, but from the sound of it the company is set up such that they can review products in an objective, data-backed way and tank any blowback from manufacturers that occurs as a result. It's much more focused on enthusiast computer hardware, but Gamers Nexus[0] is doing good things in this space too. Their style is much more dry and data-dense than LMG's though,…

https://www.notebookcheck.net/ also seems to do a lot of their own testing.

Yeah they're great and in-depth and without the stupid showmanship of Linus. Just the info without the hot air :) Always the site I go for, wish they did more types of products.

For screens I use displaycheck.

Re: Contra Wirecutter on the IKEA air purifier

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That seems justified. (IMO I’d want a review of the ingredients, then it’s up to my kid to prefer flavours.) That choice isn’t related to the choices for products for adults, which is what we care about.

Eh, it'd be easy enough to give samples to 10 different babies to at least see if they have any flavors they prefer. Obviously digestive issues are another matter but your kid drinking it without hassle is the first hurdle.

Doing research on live humans is more complicated than that

Re: Contra Wirecutter on the IKEA air purifier

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Wirecutter has gone to shit and stopped being useful about 3-4 years ago. Their move to a paid subscription was very odd to me because they had also lost all my trust by that point. There are countless examples of recommends products doing a bait and switch (changing the materials/product after the wirecutter article recommending them came out) and just cases of Wirecutter giving bad recommendations.

> Their move to a paid subscription was very odd

above several people note that

> the IKEA one … is the only one in the article they don't earn a commission on when someone buys it

How do you want wirecutter to stay economically viable?

Re: Contra Wirecutter on the IKEA air purifier

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Contra wirecutter is clearly invented for this article. But in short I take it to mean that it asserts a point of view that is in disagreement with the point of view asserted on the popular wirecutter.com product review site.

Ah ok, I thought wirecutters we things used for cutting wires.

They are, but in this case it’s a reference to the website that carries product reviews called “The Wirecutter”

Re: Contra Wirecutter on the IKEA air purifier

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The Wirecutter is a highly flawed review site, but at least it's a real one. There are vanishingly few left for general consumer products. There's WC, Consumer Reports, and what else? They've seem to have all been killed off. When I'm researching some category of product, I feel lucky if I find any professional reviews written by people who have actually touched the thing they're reviewing. I know we've all had the e…

Hey at least be happy you have some options! It’s 2022 and I cannot get a single reliable suggestion on ANY product, refrigerator or cell phone, in india. Which is fine for small electronics since I can lookup Wirecutter but for anything else where the models in india don’t match American ones, there’s absolutely nothing on the internet to guide you to an informed opinion. Market opportunity?
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