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Post by Terretta »

rzwitserloot wrote: post #66
ethbr0 wrote: post #16

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As someone who grew up in the US, it's still bizarre as a programmer to have a mixed-significance ordering (MM-DD-YYYY) instead of any consistently-endian ordering (DD-MM-YYYY or YYYY-MM-DD). Out of curiosity, in what order do Europeans verbally say full dates with month names? Or does it vary by language?

Germanic (Dutch, German, Danish, Swedish, Norwegian) languages just say "10 october", they'd never say "October 10th". Before we get our 'english is so stupid!!!' hat on, in many of these (e.g. Dutch and German), the number '87' is pronounced 'seven-and-eighty' ('zevenentachtig' - 'zeven en tachtig' - seven and eighty), which is stupid. Languages are weird). Same for the romance ones: It's just "Quatorze juillet" - 1…

About that romance 87 …

French in France: four twenties seven

French in Switzerland: eighty seven (octante sept)

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Post by matheusmoreira »

ethbr0 wrote: post #16
chriswarbo wrote: post #13

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> It’s pretty convenient as the time periods uses the format YYYY-MM-DD/YYYY-MM-DD and I think is easier to mentally parse than MM/DD/YYYY-MM/DD/YYYY Especially for those outside the USA!

As someone who grew up in the US, it's still bizarre as a programmer to have a mixed-significance ordering (MM-DD-YYYY) instead of any consistently-endian ordering (DD-MM-YYYY or YYYY-MM-DD). Out of curiosity, in what order do Europeans verbally say full dates with month names? Or does it vary by language?

In portuguese people say "vinte de junho de dois mil e vinte dois", meaning "twenty of june of two thousand twenty two". The first few days of the month are ordinal: people say "primeiro de janeiro" meaning "first of january".

Japanese uses a neat system akin to YYYY-MM-DD. 2022-06-20 becomes ２０２１年６月２０日 meaning "2021 year 6 month 20 day". Really nice to read. Actual pronunciation is very irregular though, especially days of the month where about half of them are irregular.

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Post by vivganes »

ethbr0 wrote: post #16
chriswarbo wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It’s pretty convenient as the time periods uses the format YYYY-MM-DD/YYYY-MM-DD and I think is easier to mentally parse than MM/DD/YYYY-MM/DD/YYYY Especially for those outside the USA!

As someone who grew up in the US, it's still bizarre as a programmer to have a mixed-significance ordering (MM-DD-YYYY) instead of any consistently-endian ordering (DD-MM-YYYY or YYYY-MM-DD). Out of curiosity, in what order do Europeans verbally say full dates with month names? Or does it vary by language?

> Out of curiosity, in what order do Europeans verbally say full dates with month names? Or does it vary by language?

I am from India and I say "21st of June 2022"

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Post by Tagbert »

irrational wrote: post #65
ethbr0 wrote: post #40

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As an American, same. I was wondering where the weird month-first came from and figured it might have been verbal first, then codified in writing.

At first I wondered if it had something to do with word order in English, but it sounds like other English speaking countries don’t follow this pattern.

Don’t currently “follow this pattern”.

US English has several grammatical and pronunciation characteristics that were common in UK English about 300 years ago. Including being largely (but not totally) rhotic.

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Post by eurasiantiger »

mtoddsmith wrote: post #30
codetrotter wrote: post #24

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European here. When I state my date of birth I state it as “7th of October 1990”. When a date is within the current year I state it as for example “27th of June”. If weekday matters, and specific date is still relevant I’ll say for example “Monday 27th of June”. I might also simply say “Sunday last week”, “Monday next week”, “Monday at the end of next month”, etc. Likewise I might say “a couple of weeks ago”, “last w…

YYYY-DD-MM as a folder / filename does not sort correctly. Not a fan. I much prefer YYYY-MM-DD for its sorting behavior.

Important note: while a datestamp like YYYY-MM-DD does sort correctly, a datetime stamp such as YYYY-MM-DDThh-mm-ss does not because of DST and negative leap seconds.

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Post by dividedbyzero »

garmain wrote: post #31
ethbr0 wrote: post #16

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As someone who grew up in the US, it's still bizarre as a programmer to have a mixed-significance ordering (MM-DD-YYYY) instead of any consistently-endian ordering (DD-MM-YYYY or YYYY-MM-DD). Out of curiosity, in what order do Europeans verbally say full dates with month names? Or does it vary by language?

In German, Dutch I'll use "twenty June twenty-twentytwo". In English "twentieth of June twenty-twentytwo

Would you actually say "zwanzig Juni" in German? I'd expect "zwanzigster Juni", i.e. 20th June.
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