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Re: Show HN: Markwhen: Markdown for Timelines

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Post by lawn »

ethbr0 wrote: post #16
chriswarbo wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It’s pretty convenient as the time periods uses the format YYYY-MM-DD/YYYY-MM-DD and I think is easier to mentally parse than MM/DD/YYYY-MM/DD/YYYY Especially for those outside the USA!

As someone who grew up in the US, it's still bizarre as a programmer to have a mixed-significance ordering (MM-DD-YYYY) instead of any consistently-endian ordering (DD-MM-YYYY or YYYY-MM-DD). Out of curiosity, in what order do Europeans verbally say full dates with month names? Or does it vary by language?

In Sweden we say 20th June, 2022 and we even use a "DD/MM -YY" shorthand when signing documents for instance, although YYYY-MM-DD is also common and "the more correct".

Re: Show HN: Markwhen: Markdown for Timelines

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Post by kseistrup »

ethbr0 wrote: post #16
chriswarbo wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It’s pretty convenient as the time periods uses the format YYYY-MM-DD/YYYY-MM-DD and I think is easier to mentally parse than MM/DD/YYYY-MM/DD/YYYY Especially for those outside the USA!

As someone who grew up in the US, it's still bizarre as a programmer to have a mixed-significance ordering (MM-DD-YYYY) instead of any consistently-endian ordering (DD-MM-YYYY or YYYY-MM-DD). Out of curiosity, in what order do Europeans verbally say full dates with month names? Or does it vary by language?

Denmark: The Nth $month $year. E.g., “Den 20. juni 2022” (lit.: the 20th June 2022).

Re: Show HN: Markwhen: Markdown for Timelines

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Post by jiehong »

ethbr0 wrote: post #16
chriswarbo wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It’s pretty convenient as the time periods uses the format YYYY-MM-DD/YYYY-MM-DD and I think is easier to mentally parse than MM/DD/YYYY-MM/DD/YYYY Especially for those outside the USA!

As someone who grew up in the US, it's still bizarre as a programmer to have a mixed-significance ordering (MM-DD-YYYY) instead of any consistently-endian ordering (DD-MM-YYYY or YYYY-MM-DD). Out of curiosity, in what order do Europeans verbally say full dates with month names? Or does it vary by language?

It does vary by language, but Roman languages (French, Spanish, Italian, etc.) say the 4th of July.

Same in German.

In Polish, it’s the same, except for official matters since 2002, which now follows ISO8601.

Even in the UK they commonly say the 5th of May, and not May, the 5th (but it does happen).

I can’t talk about other languages.

Re: Show HN: Markwhen: Markdown for Timelines

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Post by codetrotter »

ethbr0 wrote: post #16
chriswarbo wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It’s pretty convenient as the time periods uses the format YYYY-MM-DD/YYYY-MM-DD and I think is easier to mentally parse than MM/DD/YYYY-MM/DD/YYYY Especially for those outside the USA!

As someone who grew up in the US, it's still bizarre as a programmer to have a mixed-significance ordering (MM-DD-YYYY) instead of any consistently-endian ordering (DD-MM-YYYY or YYYY-MM-DD). Out of curiosity, in what order do Europeans verbally say full dates with month names? Or does it vary by language?

European here. When I state my date of birth I state it as “7th of October 1990”.

When a date is within the current year I state it as for example “27th of June”.

If weekday matters, and specific date is still relevant I’ll say for example “Monday 27th of June”.

I might also simply say “Sunday last week”, “Monday next week”, “Monday at the end of next month”, etc.

Likewise I might say “a couple of weeks ago”, “last week”, “a few days ago”, “in under two weeks”, etc.

Depends on context.

When including a date in a file name I prefer YYYY-MM-DD for date.

When using dates in a directory hierarchy I’ll have years on the top level, with months within them and dates within those.

Sometimes I might use a format like YYYY-mm-ddTHHMMz_s in a file name. For example “something_2022-06-20T1722+0000_1655745728_more_text.tbz”

Re: Show HN: Markwhen: Markdown for Timelines

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Post by irrational »

ethbr0 wrote: post #16
chriswarbo wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It’s pretty convenient as the time periods uses the format YYYY-MM-DD/YYYY-MM-DD and I think is easier to mentally parse than MM/DD/YYYY-MM/DD/YYYY Especially for those outside the USA!

As someone who grew up in the US, it's still bizarre as a programmer to have a mixed-significance ordering (MM-DD-YYYY) instead of any consistently-endian ordering (DD-MM-YYYY or YYYY-MM-DD). Out of curiosity, in what order do Europeans verbally say full dates with month names? Or does it vary by language?

These replies are fascinating. When saying a date I always say month day year. I hadn’t considered that this might be cultural.

Re: Show HN: Markwhen: Markdown for Timelines

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Post by thedougd »

chriswarbo wrote: post #13
prepend wrote: post #9

This looks neat. I wish it used iso8601 [0] dates. It’s pretty convenient as the time periods uses the format YYYY-MM-DD/YYYY-MM-DD and I think is easier to mentally parse than MM/DD/YYYY-MM/DD/YYYY. Of course I didn’t even know what a solidus (“/“) was until using iso8601. Also, I usually find standards pretty much as overhead, but 8601 seems pretty good as a universal standard. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO…

> It’s pretty convenient as the time periods uses the format YYYY-MM-DD/YYYY-MM-DD and I think is easier to mentally parse than MM/DD/YYYY-MM/DD/YYYY Especially for those outside the USA!

In life I use the latter, but on computers I try to exclusively use the former. YYYY-MM-DD sorts the same lexicographically or chronologically.

Re: Show HN: Markwhen: Markdown for Timelines

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Post by mtoddsmith »

codetrotter wrote: post #24
ethbr0 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone who grew up in the US, it's still bizarre as a programmer to have a mixed-significance ordering (MM-DD-YYYY) instead of any consistently-endian ordering (DD-MM-YYYY or YYYY-MM-DD). Out of curiosity, in what order do Europeans verbally say full dates with month names? Or does it vary by language?

European here. When I state my date of birth I state it as “7th of October 1990”. When a date is within the current year I state it as for example “27th of June”. If weekday matters, and specific date is still relevant I’ll say for example “Monday 27th of June”. I might also simply say “Sunday last week”, “Monday next week”, “Monday at the end of next month”, etc. Likewise I might say “a couple of weeks ago”, “last w…

YYYY-DD-MM as a folder / filename does not sort correctly. Not a fan.

I much prefer YYYY-MM-DD for its sorting behavior.

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