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Re: Stop using app icons for political activism

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How about no? If it's my app, I'll use my logo. I consider the logo an integral part of the application's identity and I should control its identity. I promise I'll do my best to make it easily and readily recognizable, regardless of it using national colors, a rainbow or shades of white, pink and blue. If you don't like it, it's your problem, not mine.

Yup - private companies/app makers can do as they please. You consented to them doing as they wish. The choice is simple, if you don't like it, just stop using the app. There are probably tons of alternatives.

> private companies/app makers can do as they please. You consented to them doing as they wish

However, there is a license, and this goes both ways.

Or would you consent to the statement, "Yup, users are private individuals and can pirate software as they please. The developer has consented to this by publishing the software."?

Re: Stop using app icons for political activism

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1. You’re claiming Christianity is so normalized people don’t notice it. That’s exactly the point with pride. 2. Am I reading this right? You think LGBT people and pride is oppressing people more than Christianity?

1. Mcdonalds is 'normalized'. Everybody knows you can get a double quarter pounder at mcdonalds. Christanity is not noticed. The public rarely knows the content of the faith it rejects. And the point is reinforced by the complete lack of knowledge about what it is and how pride might impact it, in this conversation. 2. "Normalization" and "oppression" are not words that mean what I'm talking about. Christianity is "u…

I would argue that practitioners of the faith rarely know the content of the faith they practice. Hence the extreme anti-LGBT stance pushed in their politics and preferred media, despite the conspicuous lack of relevant scripture.

And this extremity is definitely something LGBT folks see all the time. Their states are passing laws banning them from sports and bathrooms. LGBT issues can no longer be mentioned in their schools. So don't play the pity card when Christians behave like monsters, and the non-Christian world responds in kind.

Re: Stop using app icons for political activism

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As someone said much better than I ever could, I don't want to impose my values upon others, but I want to show others who have the same values I do they are not alone.

What this really is, is showing political compliance. Just like what Italians had to do in the late 30s to prevent their businesses from being destroyed. How would you feel if most apps all over the App Store for one whole month used right wing political symbology to signal their compliance? I’m sure you’d get pretty angry about it. Try to put yourself in other’s shoes, and stop participating in this low-effort fasci…

Pride Month is not a left-right issue unless you make it one.

Re: Stop using app icons for political activism

#164

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>I would invite everyone to remember this the next time someone wants a “politics-free” workspace. Specifically, remember that a vague assertion that LGBTQ people exist (a rainbow, on a logo), is what some folks consider “political.” There are many things that "just exist", but one subset of them receives massive media attention, mandatory acknowledgments, and is shielded from a lot of criticism, while another subset…

Hmm, I don't think any governments are actively legislating to make it illegal to be (or acknowledge the existence of) fathers or housewives.

So? If the SMART goal [0] is to discourage these governments from passing such legislation, how does the pride publicity in the countries that DO NOT have that problem help? No multinational company is putting rainbows on its stores in Turkey or Pakistan, but there are plenty in North America.

I personally only see the downsides of the current approach:

1. It attracts people that enjoying making others uncomfortable, and all kids of trolls/attention seekers.

2. The former group keeps pushing the limits, demanding more and more unrealistic things, slowly pushing the public opinion against the minority in question.

3. This is used as an excuse for more restrictions of freedom (like the hate speech laws), that are further abused, igniting more and more tensions between people of opposing views.

[0] https://www.atlassian.com/blog/productivity/how-to-write-sma...

Re: Stop using app icons for political activism

#165

The author didn’t bother to state which political statements they were upset about; neither did they bother to say something like “all of them,” which would have been trivial. So we are left to guess which political activism they find annoying. Given the timing, there’s a very good chance that it’s related to Pride month here in the US. It seems even more probable when you consider the context: very few companies cha…

>I would invite everyone to remember this the next time someone wants a “politics-free” workspace. Specifically, remember that a vague assertion that LGBTQ people exist (a rainbow, on a logo), is what some folks consider “political.” There are many things that "just exist", but one subset of them receives massive media attention, mandatory acknowledgments, and is shielded from a lot of criticism, while another subset…

> mandatory acknowledgments

Who mandates that?

> shielded from a lot of criticism

By whom? From where I stand, a lot of folks have stated calling me and mine “groomers,” which is pretty critical in my book. They seem free enough to criticize to me?

> while another subset is constantly being ridiculed, mocked and villified

Each side mocks the other; so it seems to be a moot point to me.

> Pride month would be fair if we also had, let's say, Fathers' month

> Or housewives' month

> But no, the media has decided that all these things are not important

The media certainly has not decided as much. This is still what we, as a society, glorify. What would you say shows that the media has decided these things are no longer important?

> one's sexual orientation, a very private thing that makes many people uncomfortable and has zero relation with actual business, needs to be broadcasted on every corner.

The world broadcasts heterosexuality on every corner. What’s the difference?

> So the whole idea of a politics-free workspace is that we keep these things to our private lives.

I would disagree. My experience has been that “politics-free” spaces in fact allow the dominant politics to be expressed, while silencing other groups.

> And giving one subset of people different rights from another one (even if it's non-monetary tokenism) makes a workplace toxic and increases tension.

You can’t say that one group is being given “different rights” and then in the next breath say that it’s actually “non-monetary tokenism.” Rhetorically, that’s nonsensical. It uses the gravitas of a “right” to make a point but then immediately admits that the point was false all along.

So let’s drop the nonsense about “special rights” - this is about acknowledgement, or “tokenism”.

Re: Stop using app icons for political activism

#166

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The juxtaposition between “Conservatives make the same argument” and “Your in group is in power” seems to imply that you think liberals are in power. I can assure you that they are not, at least not in the US. They are currently in power in name only, and structurally even that will be an unlikely outcome for the foreseeable future. > Society needs to learn how to tolerate differing opinions. Would you care to expand…

That you’re able to feel comfortable staying your opinions in public is evidence your group has won. > Would you care to expand on those? Freedom of speech within the rules of the law should not lead to one becoming a pariah. Morals are relative and change overtime which causes culture wars like the one we’re in now. It benefits all to reduce the impact of these wars - ie, when people are operating within the law the…

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Re: Stop using app icons for political activism

#167

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This is definitely true. I considered that it could be Ukraine, but ultimately it seemed less likely. Most of the Ukraine-related logo changes I personally saw were done earlier on in the war, and most of what I see right now is Pride-related. I probably could have mentioned this possibility in the comment, as well. That said, the author didn’t tell us; so we’re left to guess.

> That said, the author didn’t tell us; so we’re left to guess. We don't need to guess. The post was agnostic to the political cause.

Not mentioning a cause is not the same thing as being agnostic.

Re: Stop using app icons for political activism

#168

The author didn’t bother to state which political statements they were upset about; neither did they bother to say something like “all of them,” which would have been trivial. So we are left to guess which political activism they find annoying. Given the timing, there’s a very good chance that it’s related to Pride month here in the US. It seems even more probable when you consider the context: very few companies cha…

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Re: Stop using app icons for political activism

#169
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I legitimately don’t care what the Christian preechers are complaining about. They’re not the group I’m optimizing for, and their population is dropping YoY. If the existence of a group of people is triggering them that much, then they can go disconnect and live in isolation or something. No one here is, for example, calling out marriot for shoving bibles and Book of Mormon into my face. Christianity is constantly sh…

This is the naive blindness. There is acres of christian art and media that simply doesn't register for the populace. People scroll by Jude Law as the Young Pope on Netflix and ignore the methodist Christian substructure of star wars. People can be told via memes that ObiWan is like space jesus and it's like water off a duck's back. Christianity doesn't oppress people, they can't even identify it, when it is infront…

> But make no mistake we all know what pride is, what lgbtq people want legislated

As a European atheist living in Texas, I know exactly what Christians want legislating, since they never stop bleating about it.

Ronald Reagan Jr appears to be the only person willing to hold America to its own basic constitutional amendments, frankly.

Re: Stop using app icons for political activism

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>They’ve moved on from denial, nowadays they say far more hateful things. [1] All I was getting at is not having a rainbow or supporting a company who changes their logo or whatever doesn't mean somebody is denying the existence of LGBT. >No, but it’s not for the kind of reasons you’re trying to get at with this kind of questioning. Fundamentally, I don’t much care about people changing their app icons for causes I s…

About the whole “existence” bit - I think you’re unintentionally arguing a straw man? I never asserted that not having a rainbow logo meant that you must clearly hate the gays.

I don’t really disagree on that point, I just didn’t make that argument in the first place. :)

> Unless the OP states otherwise you don't know either. I don't like to make assumptions when the poster goes out of their way to not bring up the topic.

For certain? Not from the text, no. I’ve been clear this whole time that I feel it is likely what motivated it.

That said, I found a few transphobic comments in the authors HN history with no real effort, so I feel pretty comfortable with the assumption.

I would encourage you to learn to recognize this kind of dog-whistle. The explicit omission of what political group motivated a rant centered on politics is a common rhetorical technique.

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