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Re: Stop using app icons for political activism

#61
Net/net: -1, poor couching of an old gripe I share.

I miss ResEdit and the option of using a quasi-developer utility to swap out icons and other assets from the "resource fork" of any Mac app. As a consumer, I loved how everything was externalized in a common format.

Re: Stop using app icons for political activism

#62
post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not entitled to say we own our own computers and don't want your political advertising on them.

The reality is that while you own your computer, you generally don't own the proprietary software on it, you _license_ it. That license entitles you to remarkably little beyond using the software as the software vendor permits.

I don't think FOSS protects you from political activism.

Here's what comes up on my (Fedora, obviously) machine when I run VIM with no filename specified:

                  VIM - Vi IMproved                                
                                                                   
                   version 8.2.5052                                
               by Bram Moolenaar et al.                            
          Modified by                         
     Vim is open source and freely distributable                   
                                                                   
            Help poor children in Uganda!                          
    type  :help iccf       for information                  
                                                                   
    type  :q               to exit                          
    type  :help  or    for on-line help                 
    type  :help version8   for version info                 
According to their git history, VIM has carried uganda.txt since at least 2004.

No technical measures exist to stop you from removing this call for donations, but it's more work to patch it out then it is to just ignore it. This makes FOSS software a pretty good vehicle for political activism. Not just the fact that organizing a hostile fork to remove a message like this one is too much trouble and makes you look like a jerk, but also because political activism is a good way to motivate people to write and release software for free in the first place, making up for how difficult it is to really monetize FOSS software.

Re: Stop using app icons for political activism

#63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What the hell is a Juneteenth?

It's African American's name for the day slavery effectively ended and as of last year(?) a federal holiday.

It’s the day that it was announced to have ended in Texas.

Slavery was still practiced in Kentucky and Delaware until the ratification of the 13th Amendment.

Re: Stop using app icons for political activism

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post #2

How about no? If it's my app, I'll use my logo. I consider the logo an integral part of the application's identity and I should control its identity. I promise I'll do my best to make it easily and readily recognizable, regardless of it using national colors, a rainbow or shades of white, pink and blue. If you don't like it, it's your problem, not mine.

It's political advertising and, like many, I don't want any ads in my apps. Normalizing political ads in apps is a two edged sword because, even if yours are righteous, there are plenty of unsavory political movements I don't want to see ads for and they would be just as "justified" as yours because they too sincerely believe their cause is righteous (even though we would disagree).

I'm completely fine with your right to dump those unsavory apps. If enough of us do, they may chose to, at least, hide to wherever they came out from.

Re: Stop using app icons for political activism

#65
post #2

How about no? If it's my app, I'll use my logo. I consider the logo an integral part of the application's identity and I should control its identity. I promise I'll do my best to make it easily and readily recognizable, regardless of it using national colors, a rainbow or shades of white, pink and blue. If you don't like it, it's your problem, not mine.

What’s the activism angle exactly for? Do you think people on the fence about some issue will be swayed one way or the other?

As someone said much better than I ever could, I don't want to impose my values upon others, but I want to show others who have the same values I do they are not alone.

Re: Stop using app icons for political activism

#66
post #20
post #2

How about no? If it's my app, I'll use my logo. I consider the logo an integral part of the application's identity and I should control its identity. I promise I'll do my best to make it easily and readily recognizable, regardless of it using national colors, a rainbow or shades of white, pink and blue. If you don't like it, it's your problem, not mine.

The app might be "yours", but once you gave it to another person to install it on their phone, you should not abuse their hospitality. You don't rerrange furniture in a home you're visiting if you have good manners.

Then don't update the app.

Re: Stop using app icons for political activism

#67
post #2

How about no? If it's my app, I'll use my logo. I consider the logo an integral part of the application's identity and I should control its identity. I promise I'll do my best to make it easily and readily recognizable, regardless of it using national colors, a rainbow or shades of white, pink and blue. If you don't like it, it's your problem, not mine.

> If it's my app

Not picking on you specifically, because this attitude is extremely common among software developers these days, but I think this mentality of treating software running on users' machines as "yours" rather than "theirs" is at the core of a lot of problems with the modern software industry.

Software should serve the interests of its users, not its developers. The advent of ubiquitous internet connectivity, automatic updates, and business models based around selling ads rather than selling software have changed this dynamic somewhat and I think that's really unfortunate.

Re: Stop using app icons for political activism

#68
post #19
post #2

How about no? If it's my app, I'll use my logo. I consider the logo an integral part of the application's identity and I should control its identity. I promise I'll do my best to make it easily and readily recognizable, regardless of it using national colors, a rainbow or shades of white, pink and blue. If you don't like it, it's your problem, not mine.

> If you don't like it, it's your problem, not mine. I may be old fashined, but I remember it being considered a problem for the seller if a potential customer does not like offered product.

And this is why having a lot of low-margin, low-touch customers is better than a few high-margin, high-touch ones.

It should always be OK to fire your customers.

Re: Stop using app icons for political activism

#69
post #67
post #2

How about no? If it's my app, I'll use my logo. I consider the logo an integral part of the application's identity and I should control its identity. I promise I'll do my best to make it easily and readily recognizable, regardless of it using national colors, a rainbow or shades of white, pink and blue. If you don't like it, it's your problem, not mine.

> If it's my app Not picking on you specifically, because this attitude is extremely common among software developers these days, but I think this mentality of treating software running on users' machines as "yours" rather than "theirs" is at the core of a lot of problems with the modern software industry. Software should serve the interests of its users, not its developers. The advent of ubiquitous internet connecti…

> Software should serve the interests of its users, not its developers.

It is my belief the software is serving the betterment of society if it offends the people who don't approve my activism ;-)

More important than serving the individual users is serving society as a whole.

Re: Stop using app icons for political activism

#70
post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So your saying everyone should be able to demand a custom app icon that fits their design preferences, presumably for free?

No, they’re saying consumers are able to stop using your app if you inject politics into it, and some percentage will. No right or wrong involved, this means less money for you.

> this means less money for you.

My morals are not for sale.

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