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Re: We are removing the option to create new subscriptions

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> Hadn't heard of Mullvad before reading this Just the only vpn with any integrity left remaining, no biggie.

Absolutely no way to know they are good and other is bad. The entire VPN industry is “trust us bro”. Which works until it doesn’t.

That is the entire tech industry. No audits, no repercussions for screw ups.

Re: We are removing the option to create new subscriptions

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If you're familiar with the sizeable benefits of the subscription model for a business you'll recognize this is a big deal.

Are these benefits not eroding? Pressure on subscription models comes from both the public getting herd immunity against the underlying dark pattern and competitors chasing a diminishing supply of people to trick as world + dog has adopted the tactic. In this particular case, with a privacy tailwind, it will be unsurprising if it ends up increasing their sales.

I don't think so. Us privacy and control freaks abhor subscriptions, the mainstream just shrugs and pays what they're told to pay. I can even see them adopting rental models for a lot of stuff we purchase outright now (the "you will own nothing and you will be happy" great reset promoted by the world economic forum). I think this is pretty exploitative but I'm pretty sure I am in a minority. Obviously big business loves this because they have to do almost nothing and still get guaranteed income.

But to me their arguments sound too much like blackmail "With this model there is incentive for us to make longer-lasting products which is good for the environment". Well, sure but if you actually cared about the environment instead of money you'd be doing that right now. Why do we have to pay them more for less in order for them to do this?

To me this really sounds like a "pay us what we want or we'll mess up this environment of yours even more" extortion scheme.

The older generation is more against it but they tend to not trust tech very much anyway. They're not the ones buying a new phone every year, they use it for many years and even get it fixed when it breaks.

Re: We are removing the option to create new subscriptions

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I tried Mulvad, I love their outlook on privacy. However, maybe this is just my experience but the speed I was getting with Mulvad was slow, for some reason. Much slower than my regular ~200 mbps connection. Had to switch back to Nord (would not recommend it, though) again.

Re: We are removing the option to create new subscriptions

#155

Anyone have thoughts about the privacy and security aspects of TunnelBear? I've been using them for a few years, wondering if I should switch to Mullvad.

The top porper privacy focused VPNs are in no specific order:

- ProtonVPN - Mullvad - IVPN

More details here on why: https://www.privacyguides.org/vpn

I personally picked Mullvad even though i use Proton Mail because they have a fully featured Linux app, unlike Proton's which is very very basic and they support IPv6.

Re: We are removing the option to create new subscriptions

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Why are VPNs what people flock to when they think they want privacy? Moreover they kinda break the internet so it's not a scalable solution. It's cool to see a good one selling a privacy message and doing it at level 11, but it seems kinda disingenuous to me to tell users that they're more private because they use a VPN. Private from your current ISP, sure, but not from Mullvad (they're your new ISP, you're just movi…

I'm curious, how does VPNs break the internet? The only angle I can immediately see is the shortage of IPV4s.

They break the practical solutions to content distribution and delivery that we've deployed. If everyone used a VPN, CDNs and caching would be rendered ineffective. Generally, VPN consumers use more bandwidth than necessary to acquire the same content which does impact the network.

Re: We are removing the option to create new subscriptions

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Mullvard is behind the mozilla vpn. They're crazy good about privacy. You can mail them cash with account info and they'll set you up.

Mullvad accepts cash as well. In what way are they behind?

As in they power Mozilla's VPN:

https://mullvad.net/en/blog/2019/12/3/mullvad-partnerships-p...

Re: We are removing the option to create new subscriptions

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post #116

Why are VPNs what people flock to when they think they want privacy? Moreover they kinda break the internet so it's not a scalable solution. It's cool to see a good one selling a privacy message and doing it at level 11, but it seems kinda disingenuous to me to tell users that they're more private because they use a VPN. Private from your current ISP, sure, but not from Mullvad (they're your new ISP, you're just movi…

> [...] it seems kinda disingenuous to me to tell users that they're more private because they use a VPN. Private from your ISP, sure [...] Bit of a contradiction there. It adds friction to at least some attacks against your privacy. That's better privacy. Nothing will ever be perfect, and VPNs can easily be oversold in terms of their benefits (especially since https became the norm). But they have benefits in some c…

> They accept cash and at least some other privacy preserving payment methods already.

So why even allow "traditional" KYC-ridden payments at all?

> Bit of a contradiction there. It adds friction to at least some attacks against your privacy. That's better privacy.

The nuance is that you're just moving the problem. You're not private from Mullvad. You're just trading one ISP for a different one. I could have phrased it better in my initial comment so as not to suggest a contradiction. Think of it this way, if Mullvad was your ISP, would you still tell someone to get a VPN? You have to trust someone not to snoop on your DNS queries and connections. All adding a VPN does is give you more freedom to choose who to trust, which is not bad in its own right. It's just not technically privacy manifest.

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