How would we have made it to the moon, if employees took surveys, sent letters, and posted numerous signs about their disagreement with upper management? Why do they work there then? I don't see how Elon has really changed much since 5 or 8 years ago to have fooled anyone who signed on for the company's mission. He wants to go to Mars. If he makes them uncomfortable, these people should not be in mission-critical positions, and possibly not at SpaceX.
SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk
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#942How would we have made it to the moon, if employees took surveys, sent letters, and posted numerous signs about their disagreement with upper management? Why do they work there then? I don't see how Elon has really changed much since 5 or 8 years ago to have fooled anyone who signed on for the company's mission. He wants to go to Mars. If he makes them uncomfortable, these people should not be in mission-critical pos…
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#943This is a very predictable consequence of criticizing your employer via a public letter. Criticize internally all you want, and influence the changes that you want to see happen. Employment is a two-way relationship. If you don't like your employer, you are free to leave. If they don't like you, they are free to fire you (within legal bounds). Publishing an openly critical letter and signing it is a quick way to get…
what should feelings have to do with anything in a market? In a libertarian paradise all that matters is value; if you're generating value then your employer continues employing you.
criticism should be seen as an indication of engagement. When your employees don't criticize and don't care then you have a problem...when people start phoning it in and not giving their best at work because apathy has set in.
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#944Twitter is the worst thing to happen to Musk. The social media addiction knows no class/age/wealth/religious/creed boundary. It’s like social cancer that slowly destroys your relationship to society. Musk has done great things but these days I think he’s at his lowest point. /I’ve said this about three times now in threads like these.
He’s the same old Elon, the pedo guy tweet and taking Tesla private at $420 are just as embarrassing if not more so , he’s just on the other side of the culture war divide now (I.e the Republican side) so he’s now considered shameful in many parts.
> he’s just on the other side of the culture war divide now (I.e the Republican side) so he’s now considered shameful in many parts.
That's a defensive projection from both Musk and Republicans to incite his "new side" to arms and protect him implicitly from any criticism whether it's about labour rights or sexual harassment.
Maybe it's 4D chess to get the Cybertruck to be popular with the right wing.
But for most of us who are progressive and environmental, we have been pushing back against his ego and authoritarianism for years - worried that he is sabotaging his stated cause more than he is helping it.
For me the last straw was The Boring Company. I was still All In on Musk as a real-life Tony Stark who would make humanity interplanetary and solve the computer-brain barrier all the way up to Neuralink. Even Hyperloop seemed compelling if he could execute on it and seemed like it might be a clever hack to work around American resistance to high-speed rail.
The Boring Company revealed to me the self-aggrandizing fraud that he is.
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It is pretty hypocritical though for Mr. Free Speech to fire people who have concerns rather than address those concerns in a civil dialogue. Musk likes to whinge about “censorship” amounting to banning a Twitter account but seems perfectly okay firing someone and removing their livelihood for speaking critically of him. Also retaliation is very much still illegal, not that it matters.
This is pure nonsense. Neither Musk or his company owes you a job, and you certainly shouldn't work at his company if you disagree with his vison or politics. Shedding the woke weight has to feel good, for both Musk and for other employees, who no doubt had to endure constant whining.
Why shouldn't you? Employment is about trading labor for monetary compensation. There isn't a particular need to be aligned with owners and directors unless you are also in a leadership position.
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#946Earlier quoted context omitted.
The workers have a right to organize a labor union. They have a right to go on strike and shut the company down. They have a right to critique any process or rule in the company that they might wish to stop. They have a right to weigh in on the consequences of any of the company's processes, goals, or aims. The workers have had these rights recognized in law for most of the last century.
Your first two “rights” (form a union, and if they do, to organize a strike) are in fact legally protected behavior in the US. Latter two are just made-up nonsense. No, they in fact do not have those “rights”, you just wish they did.
They're allowed to organize but they're not allowed to talk about why? Pretty weird take.
Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk
#947This is a very predictable consequence of criticizing your employer via a public letter. Criticize internally all you want, and influence the changes that you want to see happen. Employment is a two-way relationship. If you don't like your employer, you are free to leave. If they don't like you, they are free to fire you (within legal bounds). Publishing an openly critical letter and signing it is a quick way to get…
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Eh he comes off as a normal human being to me. Definitely quite awful, but that's also very normal. The difference between Elon and others is that Elon doesn't put on as big of a facade. There are CEO's who are psychopaths and are much worse then Elon but are much better at keeping their actual persona hidden. Elon is just as awful as the next human being. We tend to have a higher set of expectations for people in El…
This is a fallacy that really irks me. You can't even argue against a statement like that. If Person A acts like a decent human being it's because they're putting on a facade, if Person A acts like a dumpster fire it's because they're not putting on a facade. Would you describe your inner circle of friends as "quite awful"? I really hope you wouldn't. I certainly don't. And I presume most people don't. So there must…
>Would you describe your inner circle of friends as "quite awful"? I really hope you wouldn't.
I would describe all humans including myself, my circle of friends and everyone I met to have an immense awful side that they cover up. Only when the media focuses on your every movement will these flaws be exposed.
I'm not a fan of Elon Musk. But unlike the people who hate him, I don't see anything abnormal other then failure to put on a facade. He's as inconsistent and emotional as any other human being.
Keep in mind. What he does, from his perspective appears justified and if you can rationalize from his perspective, you will be able to at least understand how it is justified. Very few people on this earth knowingly act out pure malice.
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> Unless they had received direct orders not to criticize Musk at all, internally or externally, they are not guilty of refusing to obey orders Wouldn't it be ironic if a man who is "fighting to preserve free speech" fired employees for their speech he disagrees with? Oh, wait...
If Musks buys Twitter, do you think he’ll allow the Elon Jet Twitter account to remain?
Maybe, but I suspect he may turn his followers ire on the accounts operator "Firstname Lastname (picture) in $City has an bot that tweets my location, putting my life in danger. Not cool"
Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk
#950This is a very predictable consequence of criticizing your employer via a public letter. Criticize internally all you want, and influence the changes that you want to see happen. Employment is a two-way relationship. If you don't like your employer, you are free to leave. If they don't like you, they are free to fire you (within legal bounds). Publishing an openly critical letter and signing it is a quick way to get…
I am sorry for your neurological issues.