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SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by deltaonefour »

jmyeet wrote: post #153

I'm really starting to wonder if 2022 won't be looked back as the year that Elon finally jumped the shark. A lot of people (myself included) really respect SpaceX and I think that's the last pillar on which Elon's reputation stands. Tesla honestly isn't that interesting and there's a real chance it gets eaten alive as other car manufacturers have caught up. The Cybertruck is still vaporware whereas the F150 Lightning…

Eh he comes off as a normal human being to me. Definitely quite awful, but that's also very normal.

The difference between Elon and others is that Elon doesn't put on as big of a facade.

There are CEO's who are psychopaths and are much worse then Elon but are much better at keeping their actual persona hidden.

Elon is just as awful as the next human being. We tend to have a higher set of expectations for people in Elons position. Very rarely does anyone actually meet these expectations. Most people just pretend to meet this expectation. Elon fails at both meeting the expectations and pretending to meet it.

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by jackmott42 »

gfodor wrote: post #210
jmyeet wrote: post #153

I'm really starting to wonder if 2022 won't be looked back as the year that Elon finally jumped the shark. A lot of people (myself included) really respect SpaceX and I think that's the last pillar on which Elon's reputation stands. Tesla honestly isn't that interesting and there's a real chance it gets eaten alive as other car manufacturers have caught up. The Cybertruck is still vaporware whereas the F150 Lightning…

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People who spend too much time on twitter think they have seen the left go off the deep end. But what insane policy has actually occurred? Biden isn't off the deep end. Meanwhile the right has actually passed laws to tear apart families with trans kids, have actually passed laws to turn citizens into vigilantes to track down women having abortions, have actually tried to stage an insurrection, have actually put dishonest supreme court justices on the bench. But the left has gone off the deep end because there exist unhinged radical leftists on twitter saying crazy things.

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by dawnerd »

gfodor wrote: post #210
jmyeet wrote: post #153

I'm really starting to wonder if 2022 won't be looked back as the year that Elon finally jumped the shark. A lot of people (myself included) really respect SpaceX and I think that's the last pillar on which Elon's reputation stands. Tesla honestly isn't that interesting and there's a real chance it gets eaten alive as other car manufacturers have caught up. The Cybertruck is still vaporware whereas the F150 Lightning…

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I don’t want to get into politics here but you really should take a bigger step back if that’s how you actually believe it to be.

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by huhwat »

nowherebeen wrote: post #181
user_named wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They critized Musk, factually. Musk is not their employer, SpaceX is, but you just proved their point since you believe Musk and SpaceX are one and the same.

Musk is the CEO, he has the right to fire any employees that damage the company's reputation. You could argue that Musk is doing it himself and that the employee was simply stating facts, but it doesn't change the fact that the board decide to place him in-charge. Any other CEO would have done the same. It is the board that should be holding him accountable, but they aren't. Most boards today are lame ducks to collec…

He does not have the universal right to fire people who talk about working conditions. Workers enjoy protections that allow them to speak about their work, even if that would be embarrassing for their employer.

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Post by bluedino »

alkonaut wrote: post #100

Does Elon Musk always ask himself “ok what’s the most petty/childish/immature response I can produce for this situation?” I’m not sure what’s actually wrong with him or if it’s at all clinical or just the billionaire disease of being surrounded by people who agree with you for too long. But I get a feeling there is something a bit off with his behavior and/or mental health, and that it’s been getting worse lately. I…

Was he like this back in the X.com/Paypal days?

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Post by danpalmer »

Clent wrote: post #102

This company survives on public funding via NASA. This may be the biggest gift they could have given to their competitors. No one will care if their competitors have similar issues, SpaceX was sold as different and the illusion of that is fading.

> SpaceX was sold as different and the illusion of that is fading

Is it really? They're moving faster than anyone else right now, and hitting some good milestones on Starship. They're building a portfolio of business lines from Starlink, through smallsat ridesharing, to super heavy lift and human space flight for commercial and governmental customers. I don't see other space companies catching up soon.

The illusion of Musk being some sort of business guru is certainly fading, but I don't feel that SpaceX are losing their edge.

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Post by fooblaster »

gfodor wrote: post #210
jmyeet wrote: post #153

I'm really starting to wonder if 2022 won't be looked back as the year that Elon finally jumped the shark. A lot of people (myself included) really respect SpaceX and I think that's the last pillar on which Elon's reputation stands. Tesla honestly isn't that interesting and there's a real chance it gets eaten alive as other car manufacturers have caught up. The Cybertruck is still vaporware whereas the F150 Lightning…

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A slide into a second tier country? I lament the difficulty I have in understanding how one to come to this belief after the last 10 years. It's like we don't even share the same facts anymore.

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Post by jlmorton »

mschuster91 wrote: post #205
jmyeet wrote: post #153

I'm really starting to wonder if 2022 won't be looked back as the year that Elon finally jumped the shark. A lot of people (myself included) really respect SpaceX and I think that's the last pillar on which Elon's reputation stands. Tesla honestly isn't that interesting and there's a real chance it gets eaten alive as other car manufacturers have caught up. The Cybertruck is still vaporware whereas the F150 Lightning…

> A lot of people (myself included) really respect SpaceX and I think that's the last pillar on which Elon's reputation stands. Tesla honestly isn't that interesting and there's a real chance it gets eaten alive as other car manufacturers have caught up. Build quality wise? Definitely, Tesla has a lot of issues there which the established industry has ironed out and perfected over the last hundred years. Other proble…

Yeah, I stopped reading at the assertion that other car companies have caught up to Tesla.

Lots of people have not internalized what's going on at Tesla. They still seem to be stuck on the idea that when the large, experienced auto manufacturers start really ramping up EVs, Tesla will be swamped.

What seems to have gone unnoticed is that Tesla has significantly higher margins per vehicle than all other major automakers, including Toyota. Tesla is years ahead on batteries. While the rest of the industry is fighting over a limited supply of third-party batteries, Tesla is buying nickel directly from Vale, for their own batteries, in their own form factor, with their own chemistry.

Tesla is beating the established automakers on scale and profit margins.

OTA Updates? Rapid iteration cycle? Supercharger network? Doubling factories every few years?

Tesla has lots and lots of problems, from servicing, to pricing, to build quality, to various ethical issues. But they're years ahead on EVs.

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Post by [deleted] »

jmyeet wrote: post #153

I'm really starting to wonder if 2022 won't be looked back as the year that Elon finally jumped the shark. A lot of people (myself included) really respect SpaceX and I think that's the last pillar on which Elon's reputation stands. Tesla honestly isn't that interesting and there's a real chance it gets eaten alive as other car manufacturers have caught up. The Cybertruck is still vaporware whereas the F150 Lightning…

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