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SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Activist employees are toxic to company culture. We created a rule that politics and religion were not appropriate topics at work. A couple of people quit in response, and morale improved dramatically.

Wh

Define slavery and then demonstrate how these workers fall under that definition.

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Musk, the CEO of Tesla and SpaceX, recently described himself as a "free speech absolutist."

He is. He just - like most other free speech proponents - conveniently fails to mention the part about consequences. It's also no secret that he's very much fine with Claqueurs and boot lickers, but amusingly thin-skinned when it comes to critique aiming at his person, ideas, or companies. He even shut down his personal "The Onion"-clone for fear of its activity might reflect badly on him or one of his companies at s…

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Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Musk, the CEO of Tesla and SpaceX, recently described himself as a "free speech absolutist."

There is no contradiction. Twitter (outward facing) has some of the attributes of public fora.

His speech comments were always about public discourse. Not private organizational. In Twitter feed we are all equal. In Twitter internal there is hierarchy.

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Here's my unpopular opinion - good riddance. It's not a free speech issue because SpaceX isn't a public square. It's a company, and companies are top down. If these employees are at Musk's company, then they had better be prepared to play by Musk's rules, and they did the exact opposite, essentially leading a mutiny against the boss and sowing discord within the company in the process. SpaceX isn't an activist organi…

The workers have a right to organize a labor union. They have a right to go on strike and shut the company down. They have a right to critique any process or rule in the company that they might wish to stop. They have a right to weigh in on the consequences of any of the company's processes, goals, or aims. The workers have had these rights recognized in law for most of the last century.

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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He is. He just - like most other free speech proponents - conveniently fails to mention the part about consequences. It's also no secret that he's very much fine with Claqueurs and boot lickers, but amusingly thin-skinned when it comes to critique aiming at his person, ideas, or companies. He even shut down his personal "The Onion"-clone for fear of its activity might reflect badly on him or one of his companies at s…

Anyone can sue musk if he libels them with his tweets. Anyone can circulate letters in spacex, but spacex can fire you. You can say whatever you want. That doesn’t mean there aren’t consequences. Critics of free speech need to realise this is a silly debate between them, no “free speech absolutist” wants speech without consequences. This is basically a NYT and CNN talking point and nothing to do with reality.

Ah, so we will hear no more about the threat of "cancel culture" then?

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Musk, the CEO of Tesla and SpaceX, recently described himself as a "free speech absolutist."

This presumably means he's unhappy with regulation of speech in the "public square". Company internal coms may fall in a different category for him.

Doesn't sound very "absolutist" then

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Here's my unpopular opinion - good riddance. It's not a free speech issue because SpaceX isn't a public square. It's a company, and companies are top down. If these employees are at Musk's company, then they had better be prepared to play by Musk's rules, and they did the exact opposite, essentially leading a mutiny against the boss and sowing discord within the company in the process. SpaceX isn't an activist organi…

Activist employees are toxic to company culture. We created a rule that politics and religion were not appropriate topics at work. A couple of people quit in response, and morale improved dramatically.

> Activist employees are toxic to company culture.

Like leading an effort to unionize? I know that's socialism talking, but democracy in the workplace is as important as it is outside of it. And the free sharing of ideas (up to a point) is paramount for that process. A company could well benefit from active and engaged employees that make a company and its goals their own.

Of course, if your company has a top-down leadership culture fostering exchangeable employees (and let them feel that), then maybe employees that do have an opinion about the company and its leadership are indeed "toxic".

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Musk, the CEO of Tesla and SpaceX, recently described himself as a "free speech absolutist."

This action and being a "free speech absolutist" are not mutually exclusive.

Free speech, refers to public speech, and especially in the context of the state not creating laws / rules that stifle dissent or criticism of the state or those holding public office

Free speech does not mean speak anything and it certainly does not mean my speech may not have any downstream effects.

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Here's my unpopular opinion - good riddance. It's not a free speech issue because SpaceX isn't a public square. It's a company, and companies are top down. If these employees are at Musk's company, then they had better be prepared to play by Musk's rules, and they did the exact opposite, essentially leading a mutiny against the boss and sowing discord within the company in the process. SpaceX isn't an activist organi…

This is sort of a meta comment, but if you look across history the men and women who forced civilization and technology forward were typically gigantic assholes. I'm not sure what to make of that, and Musk definitely is an asshole, but that doesn't mean I don't root for his space company that's finally returned the United States to the stars.

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Activist employees are toxic to company culture. We created a rule that politics and religion were not appropriate topics at work. A couple of people quit in response, and morale improved dramatically.

Is “the boss is acting like a huge turd” something you’re allowed to discuss at your workplace?

Is it at yours?
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