I had to go on a probiotic diet due to medication once. My favorite dish (that I still eat!) was simply mixing powdered baking chocolate with Greek yogurt.
Did the powdered baking chocolate add anything more than flavour?
It contains caffeine.
Probiotics can support the effect of antidepressants
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Re: Probiotics can support the effect of antidepressants
#192Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's a single comment covering an unspecified time frame with no explanation of how much research, tracking, etc was involved. It's the TLDR of their experience in hopes of nudging people in the right direction and saying, in essence, "anecdotally, fixing my own gut issues has correlated with fewer mood issues. Here is some food for thought if you want to try to do the same." The OP isn't selling anything, so it's no…
It's a very thorough comment, iterating very specifically a dozen 'medical solutions' down to a 'weighted rating out of 10' (!) of the value each one of them. Again - I'm not doubting anyone's intentions, but I'm fully doubting the veracity of all of this. 'Self Medicating N = 1 Belief' - is extremely common among people. Even among diligent, intelligent people who actually can and do 'research'. But with a single 'b…
The comment itself states upfront that it's very much a TLDR, not a thorough explanation of everything or even anything they did:
Without getting too far into it, here's the stuff that finally worked
Re: Probiotics can support the effect of antidepressants
#193I finally beat my digestive issues and chronic fatigue (physical depression) which lasted 3+ years from 2019-2021. Without getting too far into it, here's the stuff that finally worked, weighted by immediacy on a scale of 10: - 10: Eating a serving of Brussels sprouts, preferably daily - 10: Taking about 3 psyllium husk capsules occasionally with FODMAP and spicy meals - 10: Taking a digestive enzyme occasionally wit…
I had similar issues. I went and saw a functional medicine doctor, had a stool test and he diagnosed me with candida overgrowth. Which may be what you had. Here is the diet protocol for beating back candida, which is similar to the diet you put yourself on. https://www.thecandidadiet.com/
Did you feel any different or notice change as it was dying off/reducing? I was treated for a fungal infection a while ago with some anti-fungal drugs and the side effects felt huge, but the doctor told me those drugs are considered very mild. It made me wonder if the fungus was affecting the way I feel and it dying down made me feel differently (better, but it was a big change).
Re: Probiotics can support the effect of antidepressants
#194I finally beat my digestive issues and chronic fatigue (physical depression) which lasted 3+ years from 2019-2021. Without getting too far into it, here's the stuff that finally worked, weighted by immediacy on a scale of 10: - 10: Eating a serving of Brussels sprouts, preferably daily - 10: Taking about 3 psyllium husk capsules occasionally with FODMAP and spicy meals - 10: Taking a digestive enzyme occasionally wit…
I can give some context for what may have happened because I went through something similar. My two cents is the biggest factors were the keto and the stress. A low carb, high fat diet does not traditionally feature intact plant cell walls, or what we otherwise know as "fiber". There are literally thousands of different of variations of "fiber" of which we have catalogued only a few, but these structures feed the mic…
I’ve arrived at similar conclusions and it seems roughly inline with research on gut biomes. My own autoimmune condition began after a stressful period with a negative emotional aspect. I’d also been eating less “healthy diet too”, etc.
The first line is vit-d and pro-biotics, especially if you have heavy inflammation and microbiome issue or have taken antibiotics.
Alongside those would be eating a generally “higher quality diet” with a fair bit of variety. Reducing sugar and avoiding highly processed foods and preservatives helps significantly. Foods with less antibiotics help too, so items like free range eggs, organic milk can be helpful. Vegetables seem less affected by organic or non-organic.
Fermented foods are pretty important in providing a wide variety of microbes. I’ve noticed that lots of traditional spices like turmeric or black pepper are beneficial. I have a pet hypothesis that most “traditional diets” in a region would adjust to include useful spices and come to “taste good”. Almost every regional cuisine also used to have a staple fermented food. Nowadays fermented foods are generally replaced by vinegar substitutes nowadays (sauerkraut, pickles, Kim chi). Ketchup has roots as a fermented chutney like tomato sauce for example. Obviously kefir and such are different.
Going more keto or alternatively vegetarian doesn’t matter as much once your gut biome can shift. Though often going keto or vegetarian tends to get people to start eating better quality food. It also encourages a wider variety of foods which help prevent mono-cultures forming in the gut microbiome.
However good food isn’t a cure all, just a helper too keep the microbiome healthy. It can reduce chronic inflammation alongside vit-d.
Re: Probiotics can support the effect of antidepressants
#195Earlier quoted context omitted.
This would have been the strangest placebo I've read so far.
Placebo effect can be very powerful to IBS[1] and other digestive issues, as well as anything psychological. It seems very plausible that this was just the "honeymoon" effect. 1. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15916620/
I get the influence of 'mind' over perception of reality but OP seemed to have a better time than the best coke newbie ever. His word are describing some golden dream of all people after 30, not just "it made me healthier".
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#196Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think the market is flooded with supplements, while you can help your gut bacteria with natural products like kefir (kind of buttermilk), kombucha, kimchi like products. I happen to love all those mentioned.
Those are all very bad recommendations. Buttermilk is loaded with cholesterol and saturated fat, kombucha with sugar, and fermented vegetables like kimchi have shown to increase prostate adenocarcinoma. You want to regulate your gut flora with a variety of whole plant-based foods, not quick fixes like pills and a jar of stinky cabbage.
> "fermented vegetables like kimchi have shown to increase prostate adenocarcinoma."
Since you did not link to any literature backing up your claim, I want to share this paper[0] as a counterpoint. Kimchi has been found to have active ANTI-cancerous effects, opposite to your claim.
Please change my mind with referenced material.
Re: Probiotics can support the effect of antidepressants
#197Earlier quoted context omitted.
As long as it's not cow's milk yogurt, sure. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20389060/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23415826/ Also, the citations in the wikipedia article are hilariously biased. > Presented at the satellite symposium “First Global Summit on the Health Effects of Yogurt." The conference was organized by the ASN, the Nutrition Society, Danone Institute International, and the Dairy Research Institute…
Somehow I remain skeptical that the dairy (and meat) that humans have been eating for literally tens of thousands of years is causing depression and widespread health concerns. I think it's a wee bit more likely that when you're morbidly obese with diabetes, like in that study, and you feel better after eating a controlled, healthy, low-calorie diet, it can be attributed to factors more relevant than veganism.
> humans have been eating for literally tens of thousands of years is causing depression and widespread health concerns
They literally haven't eaten meat, dairy and eggs 3-5x per day. This is a new phenomenon in the last half-century. And to go back even further, our biochemistry is millions of years old, and is frugivorous in nature. We have no physical adaptations to eating meat. We only started doing it recently as a means of survival when humans left their tropical niche.
> a controlled, healthy, low-calorie diet
Plant-based foods are naturally low in fat, which is calorie dense, so such a diet is in fact ideal for weight loss.
Re: Probiotics can support the effect of antidepressants
#198I had to go on a probiotic diet due to medication once. My favorite dish (that I still eat!) was simply mixing powdered baking chocolate with Greek yogurt.
Did the powdered baking chocolate add anything more than flavour?
Re: Probiotics can support the effect of antidepressants
#199I finally beat my digestive issues and chronic fatigue (physical depression) which lasted 3+ years from 2019-2021. Without getting too far into it, here's the stuff that finally worked, weighted by immediacy on a scale of 10: - 10: Eating a serving of Brussels sprouts, preferably daily - 10: Taking about 3 psyllium husk capsules occasionally with FODMAP and spicy meals - 10: Taking a digestive enzyme occasionally wit…
Somehow I forgot the most important food, which I eat daily now and credit with saving my health, wish I could add it to the parent list:
- 10: Pumpkin seed granola (Nature's Path, no affiliation)
Re: Probiotics can support the effect of antidepressants
#200Earlier quoted context omitted.
Those are all very bad recommendations. Buttermilk is loaded with cholesterol and saturated fat, kombucha with sugar, and fermented vegetables like kimchi have shown to increase prostate adenocarcinoma. You want to regulate your gut flora with a variety of whole plant-based foods, not quick fixes like pills and a jar of stinky cabbage.
> "fermented vegetables like kimchi have shown to increase prostate adenocarcinoma." Since you did not link to any literature backing up your claim, I want to share this paper[0] as a counterpoint. Kimchi has been found to have active ANTI-cancerous effects, opposite to your claim. Please change my mind with referenced material. [0] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4285955/
Do preserved foods increase prostate cancer risk?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2409746/
Vegetables, but not pickled vegetables, are negatively associated with the risk of breast cancer
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20432165/
Your study was in vitro and given the authors' background and affiliation was most likely made to promote agricultural production.