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Probiotics can support the effect of antidepressants

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Re: Probiotics can support the effect of antidepressants

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This study scared me away from trying Probiotics:

Probiotics linked to brain fog, severe abdominal bloating

https://www.healio.com/news/gastroenterology/20180808/probio...

“What we now know is that probiotic bacteria have the unique capacity to break down sugar and produce D-lactic acid,” he said in the press release. “So, if you inadvertently colonize your small bowel with probiotic bacteria, then you have set the stage for potentially developing lactic acidosis and brain fogginess.”

Re: Probiotics can support the effect of antidepressants

#132

Sample size of 1 here, but just hear me out. Probiotics are a cheap and low-risk. If you have any general inflammation type issues that don't seem to have a cause, it might be worthwhile to just try probiotics. My Dr. told me to try them for a digestive issue - and they sort of helped that. But a handful of other things unexpectedly improved. Acid reflux went from really bad to barely noticeable, and my skin really c…

Brand? Dosage?

Re: Probiotics can support the effect of antidepressants

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post #100

A healthy gut microbiome has a diversity of bacteria. You want to have a healthy gut microbiome because it has an incredible number of interactions with your nervous system, which can impact mood, energy, and brain function. Below is a quick rundown of the essential tools for feeding one's gut microbiome. - Prebiotics: Carbohydrates and fiber that our body can't digest but act as food for the bacteria in our gut. - A…

This is a GPT post, right?

I was thinking something similar -- says a lot without saying much.

Re: Probiotics can support the effect of antidepressants

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Sample size of 1 here, but just hear me out. Probiotics are a cheap and low-risk. If you have any general inflammation type issues that don't seem to have a cause, it might be worthwhile to just try probiotics. My Dr. told me to try them for a digestive issue - and they sort of helped that. But a handful of other things unexpectedly improved. Acid reflux went from really bad to barely noticeable, and my skin really c…

I have a sample size of 1 as well. Probiotics didn’t help me but I’ve dealt with digestive issues for the last 4 years after a bout of food poisoning. I used to think gut flora / microbiome was quackery but I recently did an oral FMT (fecal microbiata transplant) the results were unreal. For reference, I’m a 37 y/o fit male and donor was 18 y/o female. After 2nd week I got the deepest sleep since I was a child (slept…

I've been fascinated by FMT, but it also grosses me out. I'm super curious, was it tough mentally to take the pill if it was a pill?

Re: Probiotics can support the effect of antidepressants

#136
Sample size of 1 here, but hopefully worth the read.

I got food poisoning while abroad shortly after college, and took some shitty OTC antibiotics. I was low-grade sick for ~1 month, and when I came home I started developing IBS which got progressively worse over the next few years. FODMAP saved me, but at the detriment of needing to eliminate a lot of foods that I loved eating.

Recently I started eating 2tbps of chia seeds with some lemon juice and water daily. Chia seeds are incredibly fibrous. Over the next month, my stomach seemed to get permanently better - I can now eat larger quantities of some of those "problem" foods without debilitating side effects.

The bacteria in your gut affect a whole lot of things. And there are competing cultures, all of which like to eat different things. My hunch is that I coaxed the fiber-loving ones back to health, and they in turn did me the favor of repressing the cultures that liked fermenting beans and cruciferous vegetables. There's a lot we don't know about our gut microbiome, but my guess is that eating high-fiber, high-diversity diets is a much better solution than taking a pill.

Re: Probiotics can support the effect of antidepressants

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post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having dirty sex with happy people is how our species has done this since the Dawn of man.

Sadly 40% of US adults already have an incurable STD so this isn’t really good advice.

Moralizing is probably a sadder tragedy, though.

Re: Probiotics can support the effect of antidepressants

#138
I finally beat my digestive issues and chronic fatigue (physical depression) which lasted 3+ years from 2019-2021. Without getting too far into it, here's the stuff that finally worked, weighted by immediacy on a scale of 10:

- 10: Eating a serving of Brussels sprouts, preferably daily

- 10: Taking about 3 psyllium husk capsules occasionally with FODMAP and spicy meals

- 10: Taking a digestive enzyme occasionally with FODMAP and spicy meals (Digest Basic, no affiliation)

- 10: Taking a "stress" B complex with 100% daily, instead of 1000% weekly (Nature Made, no affiliation)

- 10: Avoiding all beans, unaged dairy, whole-grain wheat and most tree nuts for a few months

- 8: Drinking at least twice as much water as I feel that I need, from one big container over the course of the day

- 8: Eating plain giant salads with dressing, preferably spinach-greens mix, several times per week

- 8: Drinking Kefir daily

- 6: Trying several different brands of probiotics occasionally in no particular order

- 6: Eating 1-4 eggs per day, preferably on post-workout days

- 6: Taking an iodine supplement initially, a few times per week until the bottle was gone

I think what kicked this all off was dabbling with keto 5 years ago which might have cost me most of my tolerance to milk, and prolonged dehydration from intense workouts and large servings of protein without proactive hydration. When I lost my gut health, I may have picked up bad bacteria or parasites from food poisoning or raw seafood. I was also under debilitating stress during the last few years at my previous job, so began every morning on an empty tank spiritually. I never listened to my body until my health failed and it made the decision to stop for me.

The biggest change has been that being tired feels ordinary and rare, with no emotional component. Instead of the crushing "universe is against me" sense of being attacked, alone and hopeless knowing there was no end of it in sight, which I endured for many years before my physical health's deterioration finally caught up.

Re: Probiotics can support the effect of antidepressants

#139

Sample size of 1 here, but just hear me out. Probiotics are a cheap and low-risk. If you have any general inflammation type issues that don't seem to have a cause, it might be worthwhile to just try probiotics. My Dr. told me to try them for a digestive issue - and they sort of helped that. But a handful of other things unexpectedly improved. Acid reflux went from really bad to barely noticeable, and my skin really c…

Brand? Dosage?

Please see my answer to this sibling comment.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31780214

Re: Probiotics can support the effect of antidepressants

#140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I did not imply probiotics were a panacea. Difficult to imagine such a biological war playing out in every host beneficially. Although the study you mention is concerned with an unusual fermentation process, which may be caused by a different biological mechanism.

The link was about probiotics causing or contributing to intestinal bacterial overgrowth. It’s a real risk.

I read the study. The risk is real tho uncommon, but the study was unable to determine if bacterial overgrowth was the underlying condition responsible for the symptoms, because they appear the same as those from D-lactic acidosis, caused by the same bacteria as found in common probiotics.

So whether the issue is too much bacteria or poor compatibly with a host remains unanswered by your linked study.

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