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Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by simonh » Fri, Jun 17, 2022, 2:32 PM UTC

bigmattystyles wrote: post #194

jmyeet wrote: post #153

I'm really starting to wonder if 2022 won't be looked back as the year that Elon finally jumped the shark. A lot of people (myself included) really respect SpaceX and I think that's the last pillar on which Elon's reputation stands. Tesla honestly isn't that interesting and there's a real chance it gets eaten alive as other car manufacturers have caught up. The Cybertruck is still vaporware whereas the F150 Lightning…

I don't think he jumped the shark, more like the curtain fell down and there was not much there but marketing and crowd-work savvy.

If only he'd achieved something practical, like revolutionising reusable rocket technology, dominating the commercial satelite launch industry, or selling 75% of the electric cars in the US last year. He may be an arse, but he's a very successful arse that gets stuff done. Doesn't excuse him being an arse though.

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by sentirism » Fri, Jun 17, 2022, 2:33 PM UTC

gfodor wrote: post #210

jmyeet wrote: post #153

I'm really starting to wonder if 2022 won't be looked back as the year that Elon finally jumped the shark. A lot of people (myself included) really respect SpaceX and I think that's the last pillar on which Elon's reputation stands. Tesla honestly isn't that interesting and there's a real chance it gets eaten alive as other car manufacturers have caught up. The Cybertruck is still vaporware whereas the F150 Lightning…

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I am a registered Democrat that absolutely can't stand Elon Musk and his cult of personality.

The mob turn on him for trying to buy Twitter is so disturbing though. It is straight Jacobin.

Liberty, Equality, Fraternity..if you disagree in any sense, then the guillotine.

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by dwringer » Fri, Jun 17, 2022, 2:33 PM UTC

rajin444 wrote: post #239

jmyeet wrote: post #153

I'm really starting to wonder if 2022 won't be looked back as the year that Elon finally jumped the shark. A lot of people (myself included) really respect SpaceX and I think that's the last pillar on which Elon's reputation stands. Tesla honestly isn't that interesting and there's a real chance it gets eaten alive as other car manufacturers have caught up. The Cybertruck is still vaporware whereas the F150 Lightning…

Is your post implying being conservative is inherently bad? It seems like that’s the unspoken crux of your argument - ie you actually have an issue with a “conservative” (I hesitate to label musk as one) winning the culture war. Conservatives make the same argument about “don’t be political” when liberals are winning. I’m mostly in agreement with what you said, but I don’t think your reasons are coming from a princip…

For me the weak point in that post is using the phrase "coming out and supporting Desantis" to refer to Elon Musk responding to the questions of if he'd be voting republican ("tbd"), and who he's "leaning towards" ("DeSantis").

That said I think it's a horrible look and DeSantis's response to the matter is one of the most tasteless and tone-deaf things I've heard from him all week.

I like this take in The New Yorker[0]

[0]https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/elon-musk-an...

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by doyouevensunbro » Fri, Jun 17, 2022, 2:33 PM UTC

jmyeet wrote: post #288

gfodor wrote: post #210

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I see this kind of comment a lot and it's bizarre to me. It echoes Elon's own views [1]. It's bizarre because it shows just how normalized right-wing views are in the US. Some highlights: 1. There are like 4 progressive members of Congress. Compare this to how many Republicans openly support QAnon conspiracies and other right-wing positions; 2. Anywhere else in the world, the Democrats would be a center-right party;…

They never have any examples to back their claim. But the message is always the same: the left has gone too far. Its clearly more important to get that out then it is to defend it with logic, probably because of the truthiness of the statement.

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by hansvm » Fri, Jun 17, 2022, 2:34 PM UTC

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #234

gfodor wrote: post #210

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Except that it's a flawed democracy in that you only seem to have two choices, with people often choosing the lesser evil, or deciding not to vote anyway because it doesn't matter. "the left" and "the right", or "the democrats" and "the republicans" in essence, is too wide a net. "The left go off the deep end" is also, when you look into it, a fairly small percentage of the wider population. But it feels like people…

For a broad range of voter preference classes, two-party systems are an expected result of majority voting. It's the best way to get the issues you care most about handled while hopefully not inflicting too much harm in all the other less important points that also get brought in. To fix that you need to change people's relative preferences or adopt an alternative voting scheme.

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by MPSimmons » Fri, Jun 17, 2022, 2:34 PM UTC

pyronik19 wrote: post #175

rg111 wrote: post #147

Musk talked so much about "free speech" in recent times! This move is embarrassing. You can't just fire people for criticism.

You have freedom of speech just not freedom from consequences :)

Great, so getting kicked off of twitter is a consequence that people have had. This checks out.

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by edmcnulty101 » Fri, Jun 17, 2022, 2:35 PM UTC

gfodor wrote: post #210

jmyeet wrote: post #153

I'm really starting to wonder if 2022 won't be looked back as the year that Elon finally jumped the shark. A lot of people (myself included) really respect SpaceX and I think that's the last pillar on which Elon's reputation stands. Tesla honestly isn't that interesting and there's a real chance it gets eaten alive as other car manufacturers have caught up. The Cybertruck is still vaporware whereas the F150 Lightning…

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AMEN. Exactly what I wanted to say.

The left has gone bonkers and anyone whose even a moderate is considered a conservative.

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Jun 17, 2022, 2:35 PM UTC

axg11 wrote: post #110

This is a very predictable consequence of criticizing your employer via a public letter. Criticize internally all you want, and influence the changes that you want to see happen. Employment is a two-way relationship. If you don't like your employer, you are free to leave. If they don't like you, they are free to fire you (within legal bounds). Publishing an openly critical letter and signing it is a quick way to get…

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Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by deltaonezero » Fri, Jun 17, 2022, 2:35 PM UTC

MPSimmons wrote: post #298

deltaonefour wrote: post #241

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Eh he comes off as a normal human being to me. Definitely quite awful, but that's also very normal. The difference between Elon and others is that Elon doesn't put on as big of a facade. There are CEO's who are psychopaths and are much worse then Elon but are much better at keeping their actual persona hidden. Elon is just as awful as the next human being. We tend to have a higher set of expectations for people in El…

> The difference between Elon and others is that Elon doesn't put on as big of a facade. It is fascinating to me that you see Elon as not putting on a facade, rather than his public face constantly being a changing facade. As far as I can tell, Elon has two modes: "engineering", which is where he's super awkward and, as far as I can tell, totally and completely honest, if optimistic on capabilities and timeframes, an…

I guess a better way to put it, is he fails at putting on a facade. He is certainly trying, but he's so bad at it, that he fails.

A good analogy is a small child pretending to be an adult.

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by lp0_on_fire » Fri, Jun 17, 2022, 2:35 PM UTC

rg111 wrote: post #206

daenz wrote: post #196

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>You can't just fire people for criticism. Why do you believe that?

It looks bad. You can, legally. But after so many events of signalling support of free-speech, I think it is massively embarrassing. (I am neither a Musk fan nor a hater)

I'm going to go out on a limb here but I think most most people acting in good faith understand the difference between the public sphere and their place of employment with regard to free speech.

For example: if these employees had been other employees (or Musk himself) people racial slurs I think that's reason to fire them but I don't think it's reason to excise them from the public discourse.