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SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by germinalphrase »

andsoitis wrote: post #154
nocoolnametom wrote: post #97

Musk may end up being the most influential person to: 1. Electrify our vehicular infrastructure 2. Get humans to the Moon, if not to Mars 3. Accelerate the unionization of Silicon Valley tech workers His approach to remote-vs-in-office work is less that of a data-informed futurist and more that of an autocrat. Just as he's loudly supporting public free speech as long as it's his speech, I predict within a few months…

> democracy as long as it's not within his companies. Can you name a single company that operates as a democracy?

What features of democracy are you concerned with? It’s not hard to find employee-owned and/or cooperatives.

CHS, Inc up here in St. Paul does almost 40 billion in revenue as a cooperative.

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by SketchySeaBeast »

jmyeet wrote: post #153

I'm really starting to wonder if 2022 won't be looked back as the year that Elon finally jumped the shark. A lot of people (myself included) really respect SpaceX and I think that's the last pillar on which Elon's reputation stands. Tesla honestly isn't that interesting and there's a real chance it gets eaten alive as other car manufacturers have caught up. The Cybertruck is still vaporware whereas the F150 Lightning…

> He's just another rich cringe conservative.

"Lorde Edge" is outstanding cringe. He's focusing on and making his image intentionally out of cringe. It's utterly bizarre.

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by daenz »

mcguire wrote: post #180
daenz wrote: post #118

>The letter asked SpaceX management to publicly separate the company from Mr. Musk’s personal brand, and to take steps to address what it said was a gap between SpaceX’s stated values and its current systems and company culture. >“Blanketing thousands of people across the company with repeated unsolicited emails and asking them to sign letters and fill out unsponsored surveys during the work day is not acceptable,” S…

Surprised? No. There's no large company in the world where attacking top management won't lead to major consequences. Of course, SpaceX (and Google, along with a stack of other "tech" companies) wasn't supposed to be just another large company; they wanted to disrupt things, and wanted fanatical buy-in from their employees, customers, and fans. (Corporate fans? Really?) It'll take a while, because religions don't die…

I'm not sure I fully understand your point. Are you saying that because they wanted to be "different", they should allow behavior like this?

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by bigmattystyles »

jmyeet wrote: post #153

I'm really starting to wonder if 2022 won't be looked back as the year that Elon finally jumped the shark. A lot of people (myself included) really respect SpaceX and I think that's the last pillar on which Elon's reputation stands. Tesla honestly isn't that interesting and there's a real chance it gets eaten alive as other car manufacturers have caught up. The Cybertruck is still vaporware whereas the F150 Lightning…

I don't think he jumped the shark, more like the curtain fell down and there was not much there but marketing and crowd-work savvy.

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by Thaxll »

nocoolnametom wrote: post #97

Musk may end up being the most influential person to: 1. Electrify our vehicular infrastructure 2. Get humans to the Moon, if not to Mars 3. Accelerate the unionization of Silicon Valley tech workers His approach to remote-vs-in-office work is less that of a data-informed futurist and more that of an autocrat. Just as he's loudly supporting public free speech as long as it's his speech, I predict within a few months…

2. Get humans to the Moon, if not to Mars

I think there is a misconception here, SpaceX does not send anyone to space, NASA, ESA etc .. does.

SpaceX builds rockets that's it, they don't train astronaut or have a program for space exploration or missions.

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by andreilys »

user_named wrote: post #144
axg11 wrote: post #110

This is a very predictable consequence of criticizing your employer via a public letter. Criticize internally all you want, and influence the changes that you want to see happen. Employment is a two-way relationship. If you don't like your employer, you are free to leave. If they don't like you, they are free to fire you (within legal bounds). Publishing an openly critical letter and signing it is a quick way to get…

They critized Musk, factually. Musk is not their employer, SpaceX is, but you just proved their point since you believe Musk and SpaceX are one and the same.

Elon owns 54% of the outstanding stock of SpaceX and has voting control of 78% of the outstanding stock of SpaceX [1]

So yes, for all intent purposes he is their employer.

[1] https://www.quora.com/What-percentage-of-SpaceX-does-Elon-Mu...

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by sieabahlpark »

user_named wrote: post #144
axg11 wrote: post #110

This is a very predictable consequence of criticizing your employer via a public letter. Criticize internally all you want, and influence the changes that you want to see happen. Employment is a two-way relationship. If you don't like your employer, you are free to leave. If they don't like you, they are free to fire you (within legal bounds). Publishing an openly critical letter and signing it is a quick way to get…

They critized Musk, factually. Musk is not their employer, SpaceX is, but you just proved their point since you believe Musk and SpaceX are one and the same.

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Post by woojoo666 »

Sounds like these employees were really pushing it.

> The letter upset many staffers, Ms. Shotwell [SpaceX's President] said, saying they felt pressure to “sign onto something that did not reflect their views.”

> “We have too much critical work to accomplish and no need for this kind of overreaching activism,” she said in the email.

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by golemotron »

Clent wrote: post #102

This company survives on public funding via NASA. This may be the biggest gift they could have given to their competitors. No one will care if their competitors have similar issues, SpaceX was sold as different and the illusion of that is fading.

> This company survives on public funding via NASA.

They are doing something NASA can't do so I think NASA is getting good value for the money.

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