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Post by katz9999 »

InefficientRed wrote: post #147
gorbachev wrote: post #113

The first time one of these companies hire someone from Iran, Syria, North Korea, Cuba or any of the other countries under sanctions practically everywhere and et hit by multi-million dollar penalties and severe restrictions on how they can operate in the future, this thing will stop being a thing. How would they even know, if a competitor got hired to work for them? This might possibly be a good thing for workers, b…

Might not even get there. It's almost all defi which is imploding ATM. All of the LooksRare job postings 404. The rest have application instructions which amount to "engage with our social media", which makes me wonder if the jobs ever existed or if it's exclusively a way to generate leads and the appearance of buy-in. The beauty of anon hiring is that we'll never know.

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Post by latz777 »

InefficientRed wrote: post #147
gorbachev wrote: post #113

The first time one of these companies hire someone from Iran, Syria, North Korea, Cuba or any of the other countries under sanctions practically everywhere and et hit by multi-million dollar penalties and severe restrictions on how they can operate in the future, this thing will stop being a thing. How would they even know, if a competitor got hired to work for them? This might possibly be a good thing for workers, b…

Might not even get there. It's almost all defi which is imploding ATM. All of the LooksRare job postings 404. The rest have application instructions which amount to "engage with our social media", which makes me wonder if the jobs ever existed or if it's exclusively a way to generate leads and the appearance of buy-in. The beauty of anon hiring is that we'll never know.

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Re: Show HN: I made a site that shows jobs where you can work pseudonymously

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Post by chipotle_coyote »

Canada wrote: post #227
klyrs wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No rights are absolute, they all have limitations when they impede on other rights. A history of unfair labor practices has established a precedent of limitations on "free association." Even the right to life has limitations in the US, if a judge finds you sufficiently heinous.

I'm not trying to advocate for some absolute freedom of action here. I'm saying it is, in my view, unreasonable that anyone who pays someone else a grand to do something suddenly has an obligation to report that to the government. To me, it seems excessive, and incompatible with the principles of a generally free society. I'm not convinced that any history of unfair labor practice justifies such reporting obligations…

> I'm saying it is, in my view, unreasonable that anyone who pays someone else a grand to do something suddenly has an obligation to report that to the government.

Anyone doesn't have to do this; businesses have to do this, and only for certain kinds of services and business relationships with individuals or partnerships. (e.g., my publisher has to send a 1099 to me, one of their authors, but doesn't need to send a 1099 to Ingram, their printing company.)

> It seems to be that the purpose of this requirement is the convenience of enforcement of tax compliance

I don't think anyone's made any (plausible) claim that any IRS reporting requirement is somehow related to the history of unfair labor practice? The IRS is interested in finding out how much tax they're owed; it's not like they're being provided the data to make some kind of judgement about whether contractors are being paid fairly.

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Post by 0xPersona »

InefficientRed wrote: post #217
0xPersona wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hey, thanks for commenting! Are the LooksRare job postings responding with a 404? Their application involves sending an email, when you click "apply" it launches your email client. It's working for me. Am I missing something? Thank you :)

The site lists links to tweets from the company, which point to their website, which 404: https://twitter.com/LooksRare/status/1521564976112369664 etc. which point to these links (all 404): https://docs.looksrare.org/about/hiring/frontend-engineer https://docs.looksrare.org/about/hiring/backend-engineer https://docs.looksrare.org/about/hiring/backend-engineer-ind... https://docs.looksrare.org/about/hiring/ux-speciali…

Thanks for letting me know, and in such detail. Appreciate it.

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Post by tasuki »

chias wrote: post #104
swatcoder wrote: post #8

Aren't employers in most jurisdictions required to verify work eligibility and report income? Does "pseudonymously" just mean that they these employers commit to supporting your alternative identity when engaging with the public, the way publishers might handle a pen name? Or is this something different? I'm probably not the only person who will wonder about this, so it might help to put the answer as text on the sit…

I also have some more questions, such as: * how do you provide me with health insurance and other governmental benefits? * for the purposes of anything official, am I as an individual technically unemployed? * how do you provide me with retirement options such as a 401k? * how do you report on my earnings to the IRS?

Your questions are very US-centric. What if the company does not even have presence in your country?

I understood this as "you do work, we pay you, each of us handles our legal concerns in our respective countries".

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Post by L0stRegulator »

swatcoder wrote: post #8

Aren't employers in most jurisdictions required to verify work eligibility and report income? Does "pseudonymously" just mean that they these employers commit to supporting your alternative identity when engaging with the public, the way publishers might handle a pen name? Or is this something different? I'm probably not the only person who will wonder about this, so it might help to put the answer as text on the sit…

Let's not forget OFAC lists, anti money laundering laws and FATCA requirements. These are driven primarily from the USA but the penalties are felt globally. Your employer likely has to get all your details to ensure you can get legally paid, otherwise they may be severely penalized.

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Post by mistrial9 »

I am amazed at the arm-chair lawyers here who leap at the opportunity to tear holes and make veiled accusations about something so completely basic as "ability to work for pay." Do people not understand that cash work is as old as boats? Do you really want government record keeping in every day and night of your personal life? You want that so badly that you will leap to the front of the forum with your Legal Questions ?

Yes, health care and stability and proper tax payments are the mark of civilized life. And guess what First Worlders ? more people around you are falling into despair than you realize, because they wont say it.

Re: Show HN: I made a site that shows jobs where you can work pseudonymously

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Post by Jistern »

I have actually used pseudonymity for some time. It works. It's not perfect, but I find it to be very useful.

I fell into it out of necessity because formal legal contracts are often not feasible to enforce when you are paying some guy, who lives halfway around the world, a few hundred or a few thousand dollars.

As long as everyone pays their taxes, in some cases this can be a very reasonable method of working with contractors. However, this approach tends to make dispute resolution in a court of law unfeasible.

Specifically, for software development I use obfuscation instead of the threat of adjudication to protect myself. Essentially I indicate to the contractor, "Here, build this thing for me. I'm not going to tell you how I'm going to use it. Also, I'm not giving you my real name; I don't need your real name. I'll pay you weekly or even daily so that you don't need to worry much about being unpaid."

This is an ancient concept, but the internet makes it much more efficient. There is nothing inherently wrong with this approach but, frankly, it is, wellll, ummmm, kind of weird and very unfriendly because each party is implicitly and constantly indicating, "I don't trust you" to one another.

On the plus side, ending relationships is typically extremely quick and easy. "What's that? You refuse to do what I want? I see. Goodbye and good luck." No muss, no fuss, no drama, and no fear of reprisals. I detest arguing with, for example, recalcitrant or incompetent contractors.

From my perspective, the ending “relationships part” is super-duper great. I detest becoming enmeshed in sticky personal disputes with contractors whom I have engaged.

I need contractors to provide me with deliverables. I strive to prevent them from discussing their personal lives with me. Why? I have found that once contractors start discussing their personal lives with me, they will invariably use my knowledge of their problems as means to justify their excuses for failing to deliver on time and/or on budget.

Regardless of their reasons, if they are unable to deliver high quality work on time and on budget, then I need to find another contractor who will.

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Post by thephyber »

slowmotiony wrote: post #158
chias wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I also have some more questions, such as: * how do you provide me with health insurance and other governmental benefits? * for the purposes of anything official, am I as an individual technically unemployed? * how do you provide me with retirement options such as a 401k? * how do you report on my earnings to the IRS?

Also: How do I sign an NDA?

An NDA is almost certainly useless if you find a job that is willingly to hire you without verifying your government identity.

Re: Show HN: I made a site that shows jobs where you can work pseudonymously

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Post by Canada »

woodruffw wrote: post #209
Canada wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The buyer of your labor could pay your health insurance directly, or reimburse you for it. For the purposes of anything official, you are unemployed. You would not get any retirement options. Your earnings would not be reported to the IRS. Your government could say it's illegal to receive money under these circumstances, and they basically do. But think about what that means.

> For the purposes of anything official, you are unemployed. You would not get any retirement options. Your earnings would not be reported to the IRS. That's called "job fraud," and it's a crime in most countries.

Really? If I were living in the US and I pay a guy to pull the weeds in my garden it's "job fraud"? I'm not a lawyer, but that's not a crime in any country I've lived in. Which countries is that a crime in?
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