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Re: Show HN: I made a site that shows jobs where you can work pseudonymously

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Post by [deleted] »

judge2020 wrote: post #115
0xPersona wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes! And I think that's an important point to consider. Personally I think of "anon friendly" as existing on a spectrum. Organizations offer various degrees of it. Some "anon friendly lite" organizations will allow you to work pseudonymously, the entire organization doesn't need to know your legal identity, but certain personnel (like execs/HR) will. On the other end of the spectrum are organizations that offer "full…

> On the other end of the spectrum are organizations that offer "full anon friendly" where they don't request any information about your legal identity. Have an example, besides jobs that are completely in-person and pay is done in cash/without government reporting?

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Post by astoor »

morley wrote: post #51
swatcoder wrote: post #8

Aren't employers in most jurisdictions required to verify work eligibility and report income? Does "pseudonymously" just mean that they these employers commit to supporting your alternative identity when engaging with the public, the way publishers might handle a pen name? Or is this something different? I'm probably not the only person who will wonder about this, so it might help to put the answer as text on the sit…

I remember reading in the last year about one of the crypto companies that hired an anonymous employee. (Maybe it was the Zcash Foundation? I can't for the life of me find the article about what they did.) Basically, they kept as low as possible the number of people who knew their real identity. That person or persons would verify employment and file the appropriate paperwork.

> I remember reading in the last year about one of the crypto companies that hired an anonymous employee.

Maybe "Sifu" of DeFi protocol Wonderland[0], or "UmbralUpsilon" of Indexed Finance[1], to take just a couple of examples.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30120762

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31478795

Re: Show HN: I made a site that shows jobs where you can work pseudonymously

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Post by jkaplan »

0xPersona wrote: post #198
jkaplan wrote: post #182

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Oh for sure! I’m not saying using real names automatically creates real relationships and trust, just that it helps. I just generally want to see the internet moving toward deeper, more meaningful interactions, which, like you say, is a big challenge, and almost certainly means some form of making things “smaller.” But making things more anonymous strikes me as the wrong direction.

Completely appreciate the points you laid out in both of your comments, thanks for sharing! One counter-point, just from my own personal experience, but adopting a pseudonym online has actually allowed me to be more authentic and more sociable. I've made a lot of awesome friends that I don't think I'd have made had it not been for being pseudonymous. It can be quite liberating and reduces the fear/impact of trying ne…

That’s a fair point. I guess there are contexts where pseudonymity can be useful and enable types of interactions that otherwise might not be possible. Especially in online contexts where you’re interacting with people you don’t know anyway, so using your real name doesn’t add much value in terms of trust.

I’m still skeptical that work is a context where I’d want/need this. But it’s a thought-provoking idea!

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Post by gnulinux »

michaelt wrote: post #207
gnulinux wrote: post #164

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> On the other end of the spectrum are organizations that offer "full anon friendly" where they don't request any information about your legal identity. I don't think that'd be legal in the US. Employer has to at least verify that the person is allowed to work in the US (i.e. a citizen, permanent resident, or a legal alien with some work visa) which requires revealing employee's true identity to HR. Or do you think t…

If you were a normal business then sure, you might well be officially incorporated in America. But what if you were intending to build something more like Silk Road - a business, but with no identifiable legal entities involved? And avoiding prosecution not by following the law, but by being unidentifiable?

Hmm, I guess this is merely semantics and some would disagree with me, but I suppose I wouldn't consider that "employment". I don't say this as a value judgement, merely as a legal status. The same way someone would be "single" if they're not married (even though they live with a partner), if they work for an organization that do not report to respective country's sovereign authorities, that doesn't sound like an "employment".

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Post by cortesoft »

Stevvo wrote: post #152
gorbachev wrote: post #113

The first time one of these companies hire someone from Iran, Syria, North Korea, Cuba or any of the other countries under sanctions practically everywhere and et hit by multi-million dollar penalties and severe restrictions on how they can operate in the future, this thing will stop being a thing. How would they even know, if a competitor got hired to work for them? This might possibly be a good thing for workers, b…

One of the hiring entities is not a company, at-least in the legal sense. How would one hope to enforce "multi-million dollar penalties" on an organisation whose members are all anonymous and manifest only as code and Blockchain transactions?

Investigators would figure out who owns the blockchain addresses.

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Post by klyrs »

Canada wrote: post #166
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #161

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> Do you really have a right to free association if you have to file a report if you pay someone $600 to do something for you? Yes, you do.

How much is that worth if you aren't legally allowed to give anyone any money?

No rights are absolute, they all have limitations when they impede on other rights. A history of unfair labor practices has established a precedent of limitations on "free association." Even the right to life has limitations in the US, if a judge finds you sufficiently heinous.

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Post by InefficientRed »

0xPersona wrote: post #200
InefficientRed wrote: post #147

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Might not even get there. It's almost all defi which is imploding ATM. All of the LooksRare job postings 404. The rest have application instructions which amount to "engage with our social media", which makes me wonder if the jobs ever existed or if it's exclusively a way to generate leads and the appearance of buy-in. The beauty of anon hiring is that we'll never know.

Hey, thanks for commenting! Are the LooksRare job postings responding with a 404? Their application involves sending an email, when you click "apply" it launches your email client. It's working for me. Am I missing something? Thank you :)

The site lists links to tweets from the company, which point to their website, which 404:

https://twitter.com/LooksRare/status/1521564976112369664

etc. which point to these links (all 404):

https://docs.looksrare.org/about/hiring/frontend-engineer

https://docs.looksrare.org/about/hiring/backend-engineer

https://docs.looksrare.org/about/hiring/backend-engineer-ind...

https://docs.looksrare.org/about/hiring/ux-specialist

Re: Show HN: I made a site that shows jobs where you can work pseudonymously

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Post by klyrs »

duxup wrote: post #9

>using your legal identity at work is unnecessary, and puts your safety, security, and privacy, at risk. It is? I want this? I tried watching a bit of the video but it kinda lost me with the bitcoin stuff as I don't really think of bitcoin and my relationship with my employer ... have anything to do with each other.

Hilarious, isn't it? Bitcoin isn't remotely anonymous.

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Post by JusticeJuice »

TekMol wrote: post #64
JusticeJuice wrote: post #52

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> Can I deduct the expense from my taxes? Slightly different in every country but in general, theres two parts to this question. The first bit is just the fact as it's an expense, it affects your business' profit, and therefore how much you're taxed on. Anything you spend money on means a lower tax bill. What your probably thinking of is GST / VAT / sales tax etc. A tax at point of sale, which consumers normally pay,…

So this is a yes + yes from you. I also tend to think that I could use the service and be able to deduct the expense from my earnings. In the scenario I imagine, there is now VAT involved. The website does not even provide an invoice or anything. I can very well imagine this becoming a real scenario. At the latest when DAOs and AI are combined to provide services that completely live in the digital realm. Without any…

> So this is a yes + yes from you.

No - it's a yes + no. To get the VAT portion of your tax bill back/decreased back, you need to be a VAT registered business, trading with another VAT registered business, and you need invoices to prove this trade. Its not like the tax departments check every invoice, but if you got audited and you didn't have them, you'd be done for tax fraud.

> I also tend to think that I could use the service and be able to deduct the expense from my earnings.

That's not like a tax break to be clear, that's just not being a profitable business.

Re: Show HN: I made a site that shows jobs where you can work pseudonymously

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Post by bombcar »

gnulinux wrote: post #164
0xPersona wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes! And I think that's an important point to consider. Personally I think of "anon friendly" as existing on a spectrum. Organizations offer various degrees of it. Some "anon friendly lite" organizations will allow you to work pseudonymously, the entire organization doesn't need to know your legal identity, but certain personnel (like execs/HR) will. On the other end of the spectrum are organizations that offer "full…

> On the other end of the spectrum are organizations that offer "full anon friendly" where they don't request any information about your legal identity. I don't think that'd be legal in the US. Employer has to at least verify that the person is allowed to work in the US (i.e. a citizen, permanent resident, or a legal alien with some work visa) which requires revealing employee's true identity to HR. Or do you think t…

Do it as business to business - IBM hires Proglonox to do whatever, and Proglonox verifies the required documents and reports income as necessary for the employee.

The employee happens to be the sole owner of Proglonox, but IBM never needs to know the details about that.

In general if the government gets their cut, they don't care about shell games. It's only when using them to hide from them that they get interested.

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