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I’m switching from VS Code to VS Codium

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Re: I’m switching from VS Code to VS Codium

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Post by another_story »

drclau wrote: post #123
jefftime wrote: post #65

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To piggyback off this, another reason that I think software freedom is valuable is community support. Things like LSPs, syntax highlighters, and that sort of support doesn't have to wait on JetBrains to integrate it into their IDE. I think there is real value to the community being able to hack on a tool and not being at the whim of a single developer's priorities

You can write and publish your own plugins for JetBrains IDEs. https://plugins.jetbrains.com/

You can also sell your plugins, but it does feel less "good" to be adding value to a commercial product that you're not a part of. By that, I mean there is somewhat of a sense of community around OSS that you can't replicate within a commercial space.

Re: I’m switching from VS Code to VS Codium

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Post by dschuessler »

misnome wrote: post #45
codeflo wrote: post #13

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It’s a real problem. GitLens[0] comes to mind, which used to be a decent free extension, but now gives me flashbacks to the shareware nag screens of old. I’m also not against selling software on principle. Downgrading a free piece of software into a demo with an auto-update feels shady, however. [0] https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=eamodio....

I have been using GitLens for years, and didn't even know they had a paid version. Where have they been "Nagging" that I've just never seen?

Right next to your terminal should be a tab called "Gitlens: Visual File History". I do not want to argue whether its contents qualify as nagging but it might be what OP is referring to.

Re: I’m switching from VS Code to VS Codium

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Post by nightski »

filoleg wrote: post #223
nightski wrote: post #186

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Their products are proprietary. Honestly open sourcing their stuff just nets free labor.

Are you trying to claim that something like React/React Native/Jest weren't mostly done by Meta, but by the open source community, and Meta was just riding the coattails of their free work? You count VSCode to be in the same category as well (swap Meta for Microsoft instead)? That's quite a claim, and I dont believe it is substantiated.

No, I'm saying any benefit by open sourcing it vs. just keeping it in house (the difference) would be free labor. Not the entire project of course!

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Post by belltaco »

yunohn wrote: post #247
coldtea wrote: post #238

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> I was increasingly getting upset about their extension marketplace, where there is an increased number of extensions starting to sell pro versions of the extensions we used for free. So, "I'm a professional developer, but I don't like other programmers getting paid for their extensions (that I do, nonetheless, find valuable, and want to use)"?

I love this developer dissonance where they work at companies selling software, but refuse to pay for others’ software. Truly a sight to behold!

I know of two director level folks (they were promoted from being devs, but not geeky enough to read HN or dev blogs) who would repeatedly use 'open source' only as a full synonym for 'free of charge' in multiple conversations about tools and paying for them. For example when comparing software, "we need to pay for X but Y is open source".

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Post by belltaco »

chexum wrote: post #236
pizza234 wrote: post #5

> I was increasingly getting upset about their extension marketplace, where there is an increased number of extensions starting to sell pro versions of the extensions we used for free. This is actually great news. Some extensions, especially language ones, are very poor, and paying for them (if someone makes a commercial version) is the only way to guarantee a good development experience. Ruby is an example, and swit…

Are you trying to repeat Bill Gates's Open Letter TO Hobbyists? You're still missing "Most directly, the thing you do is theft." I think the past 46 years have proved, that free software works, no matter how many Bills want (or will) get rich off the industry. If there were no hobbyists either literally stealing software, or indirectly "stealing" it, because it's free, there would be no industry to profit from.

As Heartbleed and numerous other examples show, the corporations freeload and then barely give anything back. There should be a nuanced middle ground between charging everyone for everything and not letting corporations that collectively make hundreds of billions if not more of revenue off software get away with contributing nothing back.

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Post by belltaco »

have_faith wrote: post #230
rnd420_69 wrote: post #189

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reminds me when Bethesda tried to introduce paid mods on Steam. I was greatly excited about that for the reasons you state. But the gaming community being physically or mentally at an age of 14 prevented that with quite an outreach. Would've thought someone with enough braincells to learn programming would look at this differently, but there you have it.

Wasn't that mostly about Bethesda/Steam trying to capture the mod market and skim a percentage off of every transaction? Probably taking a page out of the iOS playbook.

If I have ever learnt something on tech related forums, it's that everything becomes magically okay when Apple does it and the benefits outweigh the costs.

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Post by belltaco »

wiseowise wrote: post #282
Raymonf wrote: post #272

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That's not even close to what they said. They said, you can do it "if you have the skills" and that "the large majority of humanity does not" have these skills.

That's literally what they've said. They imply that having ability to change something is useless, because only a minority can leverage it.

It's a bit like saying 'let them fly on private jets' and someone pointing out that only a few people in the population can afford it. Doesn't imply that private jets are useless, just that their use is limited.

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Post by blip54321 »

FireBeyond wrote: post #251
blip54321 wrote: post #115

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> discontinued: Atom just got discontinued. It's open source. Photoshop on the other hand has withstood the test of time. Photoshop has not withstood the test of time for me. I did a lot of Photoshop a few decades ago. I can't afford > $1000 per year for a hobby. My old Photoshop files are dead, for all intents and purposes. I do occasionally use decades-old, unmaintained open-source tools to open old files. > Audaci…

> I did a lot of Photoshop a few decades ago. I can't afford > $1000 per year for a hobby. Adobe's Photographer Plan, which includes Photoshop and Lightroom, is $9.99 a month, $119 a year. Not sure where "over a thousand dollars per year" comes from.

CS suite subscription. I also do illustrations, edit videos, do page layout, etc.

I used to have Photoshop, PageMaker (then Quark), etc.

Price is $55/mo, which comes out to $660 per year. Apparently, I misrecalled the price.

But I can't afford $660/year either, for a hobby.

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Post by creatonez »

bmitc wrote: post #201
buf wrote: post #16

I started using vim 13 years ago. Editors come. Editors go. Vim remains.

Features also come but not to Vim.

They absolutely do. See coc.vim which is a compatibility shim that lets you run a huge number of VS Code extensions in vim with minimal modifications. Also see Neovim which is a vim fork that has very good builtin language-server support.

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Post by BlueDingo »

xeromal wrote: post #273
devwastaken wrote: post #218

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Theft. That's the reason. People could upload others mods to be paid. Or they would use assets they were not allowed to sell. The cost of litigating this is far too high, therefore a system that allows the theft cannot be regulated civilly. Meaning the system should not exist. Mods work better in an open and free environment that lacks monetary incentives.

We can't figure out how to protect content creators so they should just do work for free seems like a cop out to me.

Or maybe they know the cost and it isn't worth it to them? The poster you respond to mentions litigation. That's how IP theft is handled. How much legal fees does anyone want to incur for due diligence or litigation or defense for mods and plug-ins. Only the top few will earn enough to justify the effort. Everything under that will be left to fester. Quality free and low cost mods will get copied and promoted to scam money and the people working hard, that you and I both wish to help and support, would get no help or compensation.
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