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I’m switching from VS Code to VS Codium

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Re: I’m switching from VS Code to VS Codium

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Post by FireBeyond »

blip54321 wrote: post #115
cdrini wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most of your points also apply to open source software, and aren't strict requirements for proprietary software. - discontinued: Atom just got discontinued. It's open source. Photoshop on the other hand has withstood the test of time. - Audacity's 3.0 update removed a feature I relied on. I wasn't forced to update to it, sure, but proprietary software doesn't force updates either. - Being able to fix your own bugs is…

> discontinued: Atom just got discontinued. It's open source. Photoshop on the other hand has withstood the test of time. Photoshop has not withstood the test of time for me. I did a lot of Photoshop a few decades ago. I can't afford > $1000 per year for a hobby. My old Photoshop files are dead, for all intents and purposes. I do occasionally use decades-old, unmaintained open-source tools to open old files. > Audaci…

> I did a lot of Photoshop a few decades ago. I can't afford > $1000 per year for a hobby.

Adobe's Photographer Plan, which includes Photoshop and Lightroom, is $9.99 a month, $119 a year. Not sure where "over a thousand dollars per year" comes from.

Re: I’m switching from VS Code to VS Codium

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Post by freedomben »

dmitriid wrote: post #231
hansvm wrote: post #137

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If it did you'd just build a version with the offensive code removed?

Ah yes. I have the time and the knowledge to "just" remove that code and "just" build that version. When even the simplest libraries can't usually be built using the instructions the authors leave for them (if they even do that)

You don't have to remove the code, you can just pin the version you're using and go for quite some time (sensitive to security context). Most builds are pretty easy to do with 5 minutes of following instructions or whatever build tool. I did this exactly thing with termux (an app I relied on) when they removed sending sms due to a google rule change.

Also, you only have to do it if you're the only one left. Chances are very good that there are others in the community that may step up wholly or in part. Sure the risk is non-zero, but the point of freedom is that you could if it came to that.

Re: I’m switching from VS Code to VS Codium

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Post by ultim8k »

I'm already paying for sublime text and a few other developer tools and I wouldn't mind paying for a tool that helps me pay my bills.

Also I like that some of these products have a free version that makes it accessible to people coming from a poor economic background. Everyone deserves an equal opportunity in my opinion.

Now my problem about big tech corps is that they are huge bullies. I want my freedom back. Freedom of not being locked in an ecosystem. Freedom to choose my tools. Freedom of not being tracked. Freedom of everyone to be in the market without being copied, acquired or overshadowed by huge companies that buy/clone/replace any product or tool with their "free of charge" poison. Freedom to stay away of "growth and engagement" bs products.

Think of the following. How viable is to live without GMAIL nowdays? Do we want vscode to become the GMAIL of code?

Re: I’m switching from VS Code to VS Codium

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Post by car_analogy »

devwastaken wrote: post #216
pizza234 wrote: post #5

> I was increasingly getting upset about their extension marketplace, where there is an increased number of extensions starting to sell pro versions of the extensions we used for free. This is actually great news. Some extensions, especially language ones, are very poor, and paying for them (if someone makes a commercial version) is the only way to guarantee a good development experience. Ruby is an example, and swit…

Paying for software does not have a relationship with quality. Imagine if GCC had a "pro" version that was necessary to compile certain code. That would be devastating to those learning and thousands of devs that came before would be spinning in their graves. The reason we do open source and free software is to make life easier for everyone, including your job. It standardizes practices and prevents mudball codebases…

> The reason we do open source and free software is to make life easier for everyone, including your job. It standardizes practices and prevents mudball codebases comprised of black box libraries and tools.

No, it is to maintain control. If you grow to depend on non-free software, you are at the mercy of its authors. Any benefits to quality are incidental.

Re: I’m switching from VS Code to VS Codium

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Post by freedomben »

terhechte wrote: post #147
netr0ute wrote: post #126

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Any evidence to back that up?

I think Gnome / GTK is a good example. Famously, the Budgie Desktop Environment will have to be rewritten on top of Enlightenment because they don't like the GTK 4 changes. So now they're forced to go to a different widget system. [1] [1] https://joshuastrobl.com/2021/09/14/building-an-alternative-...

Your use of "forced" is interesting, because to me that doesn't sound like "force" at all, rather a "we don't like this thing so we're moving" which is a free choice for technical reasons.

Force to me is like what Amazon does with kindles. If it connects to the internet, it will update to the latest version whether you want it to or not. If you don't connect it to the internet, you can't use it.

Re: I’m switching from VS Code to VS Codium

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Post by FireBeyond »

7steps2much wrote: post #182
mbesto wrote: post #176

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> 1. I can pay up front an actually own it > None of these things are a big ask. So let me get this straight. You expect (a) a software developer to create a piece of software (b) support in perpetuity (i.e. provide bug fixes) and you want to (c) only pay them once for that. Think about this for a second, especially part b, and explain to me how that should work. Now you might say "no but what I meant is that every t…

> Does it magically then not become "rent seeking" any more? The difference is that i can just stop buying the new stuff once the software does everything i need though. That way i might miss out on shiny new features, but as long as the thing i bought the software for gets done I really don't have a need to purchase new versions.

How long do you expect the version you own to be supported though? Security updates? Bug fixes? Feature requests?

Re: I’m switching from VS Code to VS Codium

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Post by aeze »

kingboss wrote: post #229
axkdev wrote: post #140

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I was a jetbrains guy until I discovered the vim/neovim ecosystem. Yes, configurling vim takes time but 1.its fun 2. I can fine tune it to my specific work flows in ways simply not achievable with Idea or any other editor. After configuration is finished, the actual time it takes to do my work is comparable with a full fledged ide. It's probably even faster, considering vim loads faster and also forces you to use the…

Imagine being on your deathbed thinking: "Configuring vim was so fun. Totally worth it". I sometimes feel that most people on this forums are under 24 years of age. So sad to read these comments. So much to do, so many interesting things.... but people enjoy configuring text editors...

If people enjoy it, why do you think they would regret it later? It sounds like you just don't enjoy it, which is ok.

Re: I’m switching from VS Code to VS Codium

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Post by freedomben »

chipotle_coyote wrote: post #206
prmoustache wrote: post #109

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> - discontinued: Atom just got discontinued. It's open source. Photoshop on the other hand has withstood the test of time. If you like Atom and still want to use it, you can fix potential bugs yourself and make it evolve, you can't with a proprietary one. You can also fork if project take a different direction that you would like. When gnome3 came up, some people who preferred the gnome2 desktop metaphor started mat…

> If you like Atom and still want to use it, you can fix potential bugs yourself and make it evolve... If "you" is "a company or sponsored non-profit with sufficient development resources to dedicate some to taking over and evolving the editor," sure. If "you" is me, and I suspect 99.99% of Atom users, this seems like a pretty unrealistic ask. This isn't a criticism of the open source model, to be clear, but this has…

> If "you" is "a company or sponsored non-profit with sufficient development resources to dedicate some to taking over and evolving the editor," sure. If "you" is me, and I suspect 99.99% of Atom users, this seems like a pretty unrealistic ask.

I've used several projects (mostly libraries) that got abandoned, and only two I had to adopt and maintain myself, and those were pretty low maintenance. If there is a community around it, somebody (who isn't you) might step up, so you don't have to do it.

Re: I’m switching from VS Code to VS Codium

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Post by j1elo »

blip54321 wrote: post #33
jmyeet wrote: post #20

What I find truly bizarre is how many software engineers, who are aware of how much they earn and how long it really takes to make software, are so resistant to paying anything for tools that make their job easier and faster. It blows my mind. Take the Jetbrains IDEs. I don't mean to offend any VSC fans out there but the Jetbrains IDEs are simply better and more mature in every single way. For individual use, most of…

I think most of us value our freedom more. Most people don't think of it in terms of freedom, but freedom it is. With proprietary software: - You don't know when it will disappear or be discontinued. Even your paid-for existing version stops working when the activation servers go down. - You might be forced into an "upgrade" which breaks something you rely on - That's not to mention issues like being able to fix bugs…

With proprietary software:

- You might be forced into an "upgrade" which breaks something you rely on

GNOME devs are laughing at this very hard right now while they look at your maximize icon. As of today, half baked decisions are still being made and forced to users all around.

Like Gnome Terminal, where if you Select All, then Copy, it only copies the currently visible text, not the "All" you just selected. A conscious decision that was first made to work around some memory issue, and was later left as permanent behavior with no resort for users to revert back and absolutely no way to select and copy all text of a terminal. And it shipped for everybody to enjoy on the latest Ubuntu LTS. Nice.

EDIT to mention that indeed it's nice that Ubuntu themselves would be in a position where the change could be reverted for their users, if they wanted. So that's indeed a very positive property of Open Source. Albeit assuming everybody has the means, the time, or even the ability to make such changes is kind of naive. But the possibility, yeah, it is there after all, and that's a good thing.

Re: I’m switching from VS Code to VS Codium

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Post by wiseowise »

imwillofficial wrote: post #250
hansvm wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it did you'd just build a version with the offensive code removed?

If you have the skills. The large majority of humanity does not

That's like saying that hardware should be only repairable by vendor because majority of humanity doesn't have skills to fix it themselves.
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