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Re: Religious Discrimination at Google

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So it sounds like they think Google's chatbot is sentient? ...okay.

Not just sentient but that the AI has a soul and deserves the full rights of personhood. Dude is mentally ill.

While this is probably to early, the question of AI rights is one we have to answer in the foreseeable future. I hope we as humanity will do it right and I am a little scared this dismissive attitude will carry over.

Re: Religious Discrimination at Google

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I'm open to believing anything, with appropriate evidence. The author makes specific claims about being judged by their manager for their religious beliefs. I'm not sure that's going to be enough to win a discrimination suit, but I wish them the best of luck. Religious discrimination at a workplace is (and should be) against the law. I hope they find the appropriate lawyer who can navigate this for them! (For what it…

That's... not how atheism works.

but that's how being open minded works.

regardless of what each of us believes, there are beliefs that we would reject. how we treat people that share those beliefs is what matters.

Re: Religious Discrimination at Google

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A company is where people spend most of their time, so of course the companies should cater to how people want to live their lives. Period...

No, in any sane work arrangement you spend the majority of your time somewhere other than work.

only if you count sleeping.

Re: Religious Discrimination at Google

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You are at a meeting with colleagues, one colleague suddenly starts to insist that Santa Claus is real. Do you take them seriously? Sure it’s freedom of speech but there will be some kind of drop in respect. I mean I get that you believe that one book trumps all of human science because you were raised that way but when you grow up your critical thinking skills should kick in. If they don’t, it’s very difficult to ke…

Your equation of Santa Claus with God reveals your prejudice and stereotyping of religious people. As another commenter has said, many great scientific discoveries over history have been made by Christians. It would be wrong of me to deny that there is an anti-intellectual strain in Christianity but it is not the dominant trend that American media would like to espouse. Whether you think Christianity is sensible or n…

I see it as a group of people who somehow believe what infinity is exactly, and a group that doesn’t. As infinity is far away enough, you can find all sorts of people who believe in god(s) and are at the same time intelligent, because the infinte trap is easy to fall into at any level of intelligence by definition.

To make it clear: sometimes I tend to suspect (not believe) that there are some parts of math that we can’t reach, yet or at all, and it has effects which break or create higher-level symmetries and create everything as an imminent result. Think of a monster group as a cute little example of it. That still doesn’t make me think that I’ll be salvaged into paradise if I don’t mastrubate.

Also, I’m not a historian, but wasn’t Christianity the only way to access education back then? That would explain something.

Re: Religious Discrimination at Google

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There are two things to tease out here. 1) the Indian caste system is not _just_ religious discrimination, its a class system that is devilishly tricky to escape. Its difficult to comprehend in the USA because the class system there is basically skin colour>money>very distant last religion. OP touches on this, but doesn't really quite grasp the difference. The implication is that he is but a poor dalit, because of hi…

Ranking skin color above money in the USA is…interesting.

You can change your wealth much easier than you can change your race. Sure a rich person will have it a fucktonne easier than a poor person, regardless of race. However race is the first thing you see.

As someone who is from the outside, Its especially obvious at points where the state or large institutions interact. (ie property, banking, police, airports etc etc)

Re: Religious Discrimination at Google

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Quoting the most concrete example he gives: > If you start talking about your religious beliefs at a social event people treat you like you just farted in their face. They frequently will scrunch up their faces and might ask a question like “Do you REALLY believe all that stuff?” When you tell them that you do they might even go so far as to say “Sorry that’s just not the kind of thing I associate with someone as sma…

You are at a meeting with colleagues, one colleague suddenly starts to insist that Santa Claus is real. Do you take them seriously? Sure it’s freedom of speech but there will be some kind of drop in respect. I mean I get that you believe that one book trumps all of human science because you were raised that way but when you grow up your critical thinking skills should kick in. If they don’t, it’s very difficult to ke…

Comparing one’s religious beliefs with believing in the existence of Santa Clause misses the point completely and it validates what the author of the article is saying, i.e. that contempt for religion and, in the end, religious discrimination, is widespread in tech circles. (if it matters I’m an atheist myself)

Re: Religious Discrimination at Google

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Google engineers tend to overestimate how smart they are because they were able to solve a few medium-difficult Leetcode questions. And they just don't see the water that they are swimming in. They probably don't know any young, intelligent Christian. Of course, even talented software engineers, like most people today, tend to be ignorant about history, philosophy, and theology. They only heard a strawman caricature of Christian belief and are completely unaware of the intellectual tradition of Christianity (or other religions for that matter).

Other commenters already pointed out: There have been many Christian scientists, philosophers, and artists smarter and more impactful than any Google engineer. Newton, Heisenberg, Cantor, Gödel just to name a few. Even Donald Knuth! And, of course, every nerd's favorite J. R. R. Tolkien. He was a maniac by their standards.

And it's not too surprising. There are good, rational arguments for deism. Unless you introduce a atheistic dogma, honest thinking has to hold the hypothesis of a creator god at least as somewhat likely. Today you can also call it simulation hypothesis, which is deism for geeks. It's not strange that an intelligent person becomes a Christian from deism plus the historical evidence.

I don't know how close-minded Google engineers in the US have become. I think an explanation along the lines as I tried to sketch above should at least make them more understanding.

Re: Religious Discrimination at Google

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You are at a meeting with colleagues, one colleague suddenly starts to insist that Santa Claus is real. Do you take them seriously? Sure it’s freedom of speech but there will be some kind of drop in respect. I mean I get that you believe that one book trumps all of human science because you were raised that way but when you grow up your critical thinking skills should kick in. If they don’t, it’s very difficult to ke…

That's such a bad take, and I'm not even religious. This is the utmost lack of respect for another person that we should strive to stray very very far away from. Also, if you would know anything at all about religion (from context, I assume you mean Christianity), they don't believe that one book trumps all of human science at all -- taking the text literally is a relatively modern take done by very few branches of i…

I feel that everyone should be free to believe what they want. It’s just that if you start talking to me like Jaweh, Zeus, Allah or the Flying Spaghetti Monster are real, you loose some credibility with me.

I can think of many things on the spot that have the same level of evidence as you have for your $GOD but such a conversation just doesn’t make sense to me. I prefer to spend my time otherwise.

Re: Religious Discrimination at Google

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> As another commenter has said, many great scientific discoveries over history have been made by Christians. Given that Christianity was the social norm in Europe and many European colonies for centuries, this statement is nearly equivalent to saying that many great scientific discoveries were made by Europeans. It's true, but only slightly interesting.

That’s a valid point, I think what should be considered though is the interest that the Catholic Church had in encouraging scientific study

Or controlling it exclusively. Because if you look at the religion as a crowd control institution, that comes pretty naturally. Why fight education if you can just patronize it.

Re: Religious Discrimination at Google

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Big Bang is the best available explanation of observed facts. This doesn't mean it's the right one, but other explanations are inferior. Especially those provided by religions.

> Big Bang is the best available explanation of observed facts. Best available is not proof. The sun rotating around the Earth was also the best explanation for a long time in Human history. Traditional physics theory was the best until we started to observe things at the atomic level. Certitudes in Science don't age well, and should teach humility more than absurd dogma.

Is your last sentence applicable to religion?
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