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The worst Empire in that case is USA with how they obliterated the North American populations and wiped out many tribes.
This is so absurd and disrespectful to the Native American warriors. Only a person completely ignorant of basically anything to do with Native American history would say something like this in this context.
IMO we should not look at Genghis Kahn's Empire fondly. After listening to Hardcore History's Wrath of the Khans, I think they have been the most evil group humanity has produced so far. Time seems to heal all wounds but Genghis Khan sure seemed to have made a lot of wounds.
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It may surprise you but basically every empire did genocide at one point or another. “Total war” wasn’t a thing in premodern history because every war was a total war.
This is essentially incorrect. While we can point to legendary incidents such as Carthage in the history of empires, the Mongols are notable in premodern history for systemically using this as a strategy to conquer large rivals by fear and hold a territory size that conventional pre-modern empire building would not allow. Regardless of morality, most empires were better positioned to preserve and exploit life and pro…
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AFAIK that isn't true. Political powers (e.g., feudal lords, kings, etc.) didn't have the resources to conduct warfare on that scale. As examples, centralized government and its resources didn't exist like today, troops had to go home to plant and harvest, and armies depended on local food production in order to survive. Total war in particular usually involves civilians as targets, and most civilians were far from t…
I agree that there's a particularly European tradition of non-total war where maybe you burn the crops and lay seige but let the peasants live because hopefully they'll eventually be your peasants, but the era was more than willing to utterly obliterate schismatics and heretics, and it's pretty obvious that various civilizations have fallen and been obliterated by conquerors of one sort or another throughout history,…
What I described is tied to the resources and power of the person in charge. I don't see how that's only European?
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This is so absurd and disrespectful to the Native American warriors. Only a person completely ignorant of basically anything to do with Native American history would say something like this in this context.
What the fuck are you talking about the original commentator stated how mongol should not be talked about because of the things they did. I just pointed out that Americans have done similar or worse. Are you aware native american population is estimated to be around 100 million year 1500 and only 5-6 million were left by 1650.
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Weird comment. The USA didn't treat the Indians with white gloves but there are surely more egregious examples in history. Vlad the impaler? Ivan the terrible? Various African warlords?
How many Indians were there before Columbus? How many remains? Compare it with the numbers for the examples you provided.
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How many Indians were there before Columbus? How many remains? Compare it with the numbers for the examples you provided.
You have to separate diseases from other things. The mongols weren't responsible for the black death, plagues in Europe killed a lot of people.
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I think the comparison works in terms of percentages, but falls apart because the Europeans were not unified. Something like 3 or four great powers colonized America vs a single ethnic group for the Mongols (even if they did fight with each other)
The Mongol Empire was not a single ethnic group. The top leaders were ethnic Mongols (much in the same way as Europe used to be a family business), but the troops were mostly from conquered peoples. I would assume that the field army was mostly Turkic, as Turkic peoples were more numerous than Mongolic peoples and their societies and styles of warfare were similar.
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You've got to be kidding
We did kill a million in Iraq and we must have done something similar in Afghanistan. Iraq was of course started based on lies.
it also erases our allies killing and starving the yemenis and the starvation in afghanistan post-war we caused by freezing all their funds.
clearly loosely defined ideals erase human suffering.