Women Who Ran Genghis Khan’s Empire • Hacker News Board

Re: Women Who Ran Genghis Khan’s Empire

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Post by mrcheesebreeze » Mon, Jun 06, 2022, 9:35 PM UTC

kevinh wrote: post #9

mrcheesebreeze wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

he is being downvoted for the same reason this article exists, pc culture doesn't like being corrected. There is a war against historical accuracy for the sake of adding in women or random races that wouldn't be there. The annoying thing is that it makes no sense to do this because there are plenty of non-male or non-white leaders to pick from anyway. My favorite empire is the Ajuuran sultanate that was a very powerf…

What portion of this article do you believe is inaccurate?

the main claim that borte ran the mongol empire, she didn't. She was a great help and most great leaders had amazing wives who helped them.

Despite this her actions were greatly inflated by the title and main claim.

Re: Women Who Ran Genghis Khan’s Empire

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Jun 06, 2022, 9:35 PM UTC

cato_the_elder wrote: post #2

This part sounds very similar to the traditional role of women, and it is quite dishonest to frame it as "Running Genghis Khan’s Empire": > Chinggis Khan’s senior wife, Börte, is responsible for a camp. She’s responsible for their home, the yurt or ger that they live in. She’s responsible for the kids. If merchants come through, she’s going to talk to them about economic activity. She is going to oversee or perform t…

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Re: Women Who Ran Genghis Khan’s Empire

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Post by fasteddie31003 » Mon, Jun 06, 2022, 9:37 PM UTC

IMO we should not look at Genghis Kahn's Empire fondly. After listening to Hardcore History's Wrath of the Khans, I think they have been the most evil group humanity has produced so far. Time seems to heal all wounds but Genghis Khan sure seemed to have made a lot of wounds.

Re: Women Who Ran Genghis Khan’s Empire

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Post by Archelaos » Mon, Jun 06, 2022, 9:40 PM UTC

cato_the_elder wrote: post #2

This part sounds very similar to the traditional role of women, and it is quite dishonest to frame it as "Running Genghis Khan’s Empire": > Chinggis Khan’s senior wife, Börte, is responsible for a camp. She’s responsible for their home, the yurt or ger that they live in. She’s responsible for the kids. If merchants come through, she’s going to talk to them about economic activity. She is going to oversee or perform t…

And what about "Töregene, who became regent of the entire Mongol Empire after the death of Chinggis Khan’s son Ögedei"?

Re: Women Who Ran Genghis Khan’s Empire

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Post by foobarian » Mon, Jun 06, 2022, 9:44 PM UTC

mrcheesebreeze wrote: post #11

kevinh wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What portion of this article do you believe is inaccurate?

the main claim that borte ran the mongol empire, she didn't. She was a great help and most great leaders had amazing wives who helped them. Despite this her actions were greatly inflated by the title and main claim.

Running an empire is a lot different than leading it. It's like COO and CEO, Sandberg and Zuck.

Re: Women Who Ran Genghis Khan’s Empire

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Post by s1artibartfast » Mon, Jun 06, 2022, 9:46 PM UTC

fasteddie31003 wrote: post #13

IMO we should not look at Genghis Kahn's Empire fondly. After listening to Hardcore History's Wrath of the Khans, I think they have been the most evil group humanity has produced so far. Time seems to heal all wounds but Genghis Khan sure seemed to have made a lot of wounds.

Who looks at the Mongol empire fondly?

Re: Women Who Ran Genghis Khan’s Empire

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Post by mrcheesebreeze » Mon, Jun 06, 2022, 9:48 PM UTC

fasteddie31003 wrote: post #13

IMO we should not look at Genghis Kahn's Empire fondly. After listening to Hardcore History's Wrath of the Khans, I think they have been the most evil group humanity has produced so far. Time seems to heal all wounds but Genghis Khan sure seemed to have made a lot of wounds.

I don't know if we can call them the most evil. There are plenty of contenders, even if the death rates don't match up.

If we go purely by deathrates then we should pick communist china or the soviet union.

If we go by barbarity the mongol empire, the timurids, and the japanese empire (talking the one from ww2) are all good contenders.

Imperial japan was so bad that the nazi ambassador to china in nanking did his best to save as many civilians as he could out of sheer disgust for their behavior.

imperial japanese soldiers used to bayonet babies and do beheading contests for fun.

literally, their newspapers had them even keeping score over who could do more beheadings.

they melted people, literally ate people on one occupied island, they did multiple genocides, they tested gasses.

Imperial japan is what I consider the worst by barbarity.

Re: Women Who Ran Genghis Khan’s Empire

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Post by evv555 » Mon, Jun 06, 2022, 9:48 PM UTC

s1artibartfast wrote: post #16

fasteddie31003 wrote: post #13

IMO we should not look at Genghis Kahn's Empire fondly. After listening to Hardcore History's Wrath of the Khans, I think they have been the most evil group humanity has produced so far. Time seems to heal all wounds but Genghis Khan sure seemed to have made a lot of wounds.

Who looks at the Mongol empire fondly?

Whoever wrote this article? Obviously, are you asking a rhetorical question?

Re: Women Who Ran Genghis Khan’s Empire

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Post by evv555 » Mon, Jun 06, 2022, 9:49 PM UTC

fasteddie31003 wrote: post #13

IMO we should not look at Genghis Kahn's Empire fondly. After listening to Hardcore History's Wrath of the Khans, I think they have been the most evil group humanity has produced so far. Time seems to heal all wounds but Genghis Khan sure seemed to have made a lot of wounds.

Looking forward to the feel-good girl power articles about Nazi Germany.

Re: Women Who Ran Genghis Khan’s Empire

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Post by mrcheesebreeze » Mon, Jun 06, 2022, 9:49 PM UTC

s1artibartfast wrote: post #16

fasteddie31003 wrote: post #13

IMO we should not look at Genghis Kahn's Empire fondly. After listening to Hardcore History's Wrath of the Khans, I think they have been the most evil group humanity has produced so far. Time seems to heal all wounds but Genghis Khan sure seemed to have made a lot of wounds.

Who looks at the Mongol empire fondly?

some mongol people to this day.

People tend to ignore their ancestor's warcrimes. Even if they admit they were evil they can't bring themselves to hate them.

This applies to most old empires, many people can't bring themselves to hate the entire empire despite their barbarity.