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Re: Eu.org, free domain names since 1996

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Post by corobo » Tue, Jun 07, 2022, 2:57 PM UTC

anonymous_sorry wrote: post #144

corobo wrote: post #128

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So what happens when Microsoft disagrees that I own Microsoft.block? E: Honest question, comes off as snark a little - would they be able to just take it somehow or would they need to use jailtime and or broken kneecaps to get it off you? Either way the blockchain's concept of ownership seems like it would be broken easily by law and companies with lots of money

They hardcode their IP into IE/Edge and Windows as the host for that domain, ignoring what the blockchain says. Or more likely, in partnership with other big tech with similar concerns, they develop an infrastructure that permits blocking/revoking/overriding specific domains, that most clients would refer to in preference to the blockchain. This would be fairly easy to justify on grounds of security and crime. Or the…

> Or they just don't support the blockchain stuff in the first place

This is a given, it's strictly hypothetical.

> they develop an infrastructure that permits blocking/revoking/overriding specific domains, that most clients would refer to in preference to the blockchain

Luckily we already have something similar to fall back on already, that's a time saver!

Re: Eu.org, free domain names since 1996

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Post by corobo » Tue, Jun 07, 2022, 2:58 PM UTC

milkey_mouse wrote: post #143

corobo wrote: post #129

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You own that copy of the book, you do not own the copyright (the right to copy) for the book

Intellectual property makes sense to us because it's existed for our whole lives. I think it would surprise someone who'd never heard of it. If I were told I own a pogo stick but not its "bounceright", I'd be as confused as this hypothetical person.

Well yeah, cause that would be kinda silly haha. I think a comparable thing would be if there was a concept of readright for books (I guess there is, piracy exists, but it's more focused on the copying side of things than unauthorised reading)

You still get value from reading the book. You get no value from a pogo-free pogo stick

Re: Eu.org, free domain names since 1996

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Post by lern_too_spel » Tue, Jun 07, 2022, 3:08 PM UTC

tasuki wrote: post #78

logifail wrote: post #4

> individuals should be able to have and own their own domain names We should probably remember that no-one "owns" a domain, at least not in the traditional sense of ownership.

Something something blockchain! I believe for "real" ownership of domain names, a blockchain would actually make sense.

This doesn't require blockchain. The registrar could charge you a one time fee to buy the domain forever if ICANN allowed it. It doesn't. Permissionless blockchains are especially ill-suited for this purpose because KYC for domain names is a thing.

Re: Eu.org, free domain names since 1996

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Post by easrng » Tue, Jun 07, 2022, 3:22 PM UTC

maxdamantus wrote: post #115

dizhn wrote: post #85

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As far as I can tell I can visit eu.org (which redirects) but not .com . How are browsers handling it differently?

Unlike "com", Anguilla's TLD, "ai", has an A record pointing to a usable HTTP server: http://ai/ A few years ago I tried all two-letter ([a-z]) TLDs and found some others that were able to handle HTTP requests, but they were either just redirecting to another domain name (the ones I noted down back then don't seem to work anymore) or returning 500 errors ( http://uz/ ). These examples should at least demonstrate that…

You need the trailing dot for it to reliably work: http://ai./

Re: Eu.org, free domain names since 1996

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Post by easrng » Tue, Jun 07, 2022, 3:29 PM UTC

jeroenhd wrote: post #155

nix23 wrote: post #11

Just as a reminder, there is https://freedns.afraid.org/ too..with lots of free domains.

And let's not forget the ever popular, ever spam filled domains managed by https://dot.tk Like always, free domains often come with weird or shady requirements, I wouldn't rely on them too much. That said, they're great if you're not willing to spend money on a domain yet and just want to experiment.

dot.tk will take away your domains if they get popular and redirect them to ads. Also, their website is a pain to use. I haven't heard of afraid.org doing any nefarious things. I used to use a domain from them (https://easrng.us.to/) before I got https://easrng.net and never had any problems.

Re: Eu.org, free domain names since 1996

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Post by easrng » Tue, Jun 07, 2022, 3:32 PM UTC

bunya017 wrote: post #107

Kab1r wrote: post #39

I've been using this for about 2 years now with cloudflare.

how did you do it? I can't get mine to work

I haven't used eu.org but for my afraid.org subdomain IIRC I had to point it at an existing server for Cloudflare to recognize it as a real site and give me the NS records.

Re: Eu.org, free domain names since 1996

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Post by GTP » Tue, Jun 07, 2022, 3:57 PM UTC

XorNot wrote: post #65

josephcsible wrote: post #8

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With traditional ownership, you can pay a lump sum of money for something up front, and then it's yours forever unless you decide to get rid of it. With domains, you have to keep paying over and over or your "ownership" gets revoked.

To be fair, if I pay for my personal domain name - at 8.99 a year, for the next..6 decades, then that will last longer then I am likely to live. So the total outlay would be around $540. The biggest issue with that is the possibility the registrar ceases existing over that time period.

There is a maximum to the renewal time that I don't remember right now, but i think you can't renew your domain for 60 years in one go.

Re: Eu.org, free domain names since 1996

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Post by marginalia_nu » Tue, Jun 07, 2022, 3:58 PM UTC

GTP wrote: post #163

marginalia_nu wrote: post #116

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How does a blockchain change this in any meaningful way?

I don't know how people that suggest using a blockchain would design or already designed the whole system, but maybe you know. If the owner looses access to it's private key is there any way to transfer or expire the domain? If not, you end up having domains that nobody can use.

Yeah, that's sort of my point. Blockchains make things more rigid when dealing with these types of cases. With a central authority, you can appeal to the humans that run it, you can take them to court if need be.

Re: Eu.org, free domain names since 1996

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Post by GTP » Tue, Jun 07, 2022, 4:04 PM UTC

marginalia_nu wrote: post #178

GTP wrote: post #163

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I don't know how people that suggest using a blockchain would design or already designed the whole system, but maybe you know. If the owner looses access to it's private key is there any way to transfer or expire the domain? If not, you end up having domains that nobody can use.

Yeah, that's sort of my point. Blockchains make things more rigid when dealing with these types of cases. With a central authority, you can appeal to the humans that run it, you can take them to court if need be.

Yes sorry, I totally agree. I realized just now that I got confused with indentation and assumed that the comment I was originally replying to was saying that it doesn't make sense to pay a recurrent fee for a domain. While instead he was saying that it doesn't make sense to use a blockchain, and I agree on this. Unfortunately seems that I can't edit my original comment to fix the misunderstanding.

Re: Eu.org, free domain names since 1996

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Post by happymellon » Tue, Jun 07, 2022, 4:31 PM UTC

judge2020 wrote: post #168

happymellon wrote: post #81

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Except that if you don't pay your taxes, they might not take your house. If you fail to pay your lease then they will reclaim that particular item.

> if you don't pay your taxes, they might not take your house. At least in the states they absolutely do. It starts off as a tax lien which is then sold to whoever wants to buy it, so that the private sector handles actually reclaiming the land and re-listing it on the stock market.

That is just how US law is structured though. They could just as easily say that they will reclaim the loss through recovery of your assets or by weight in blood.

https://www.bristol.gov.uk/council-tax/what-happens-if-you-d...

In the UK the process is different, which just shows that they don't have to take your house to reclaim outstanding taxes.

The point is that the government has options, if the property recovery value doesn't cover the missing taxes then I'm sure they will recover through other avenues. If you lease a car and don't pay, they can really only reclaim the car.