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Re: Eu.org, free domain names since 1996

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that's a ridiculous cope, they rent the car they do not own it, the bank owns it

By this standard, nobody owns anything: as long as you pay property taxes, you're just renting from the State. I don't entirely disagree with this interpretation: as others have pointed out, whatever you "own" can be quickly expropriated by local powers to build a highway, airport, stadium...

Moreover, the state protects what you "own" from being appropriated by the person with the bigger club. "Private property" very much depends on public goodwill.

Re: Eu.org, free domain names since 1996

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Why? Consider the scenario of a domain name owner dying and his relatives not caring/not knowing he/she owned a domain. With the current system the domain will be eventually available again. What alternative to you suggest?

> With the current system the domain will be eventually available again. Why is that a problem? Do you even understand how physical property IRL is owned at a legal or philosophical level?

Because your cloud data is secured by your email address in 99% of cases

Re: Eu.org, free domain names since 1996

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> individuals should be able to have and own their own domain names We should probably remember that no-one "owns" a domain, at least not in the traditional sense of ownership.

Pretty cool that this started a discussion on ownership. SEP has great articles on this by the way [1]

1. https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/property/

Re: Eu.org, free domain names since 1996

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> With the current system the domain will be eventually available again. Why is that a problem? Do you even understand how physical property IRL is owned at a legal or philosophical level?

Because your cloud data is secured by your email address in 99% of cases

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Re: Eu.org, free domain names since 1996

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> With the current system the domain will be eventually available again. Why is that a problem? Do you even understand how physical property IRL is owned at a legal or philosophical level?

Because your cloud data is secured by your email address in 99% of cases

Or phone. How does a blockchain change this?

Re: Eu.org, free domain names since 1996

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Ownership is a nebulous concept with many interpretations. I'm guessing your referring to private property (from a capitalist interpretation) as "the traditional sense", in which case domain names are fairly similar: once you acquire the domain, it's reserved for you as long as you pay your dues (just like property taxes for land). If you don't, it will be put back on the market for other people to enjoy. To be clear…

> Ownership is a nebulous concept with many interpretations It may have become that, but was it always that way, though? I grew up being pretty clear on the distinction between purchasing a book in a bookshop and borrowing a book from the school or public library.

If you buy a M8 Bolt or a pair of plain black socks, you are free to do whatever you want with it, sell photos of it, make copies etc. The same can’t exactly be said about the book you purchased (in most legislations where the concept of intellectual property exist).

Does that mean that you don’t own the book?

Ownership is not so clear cut.

Re: Eu.org, free domain names since 1996

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How would the blockchain saying that you "own" a domain make you own it more than currently? It is impossible for the blockchain to prove anything about anything that originates from outside of that particular blockchain. This is the reason why wanting to apply blockchain to everything such as land ownership is laughable and shows how little blockchain fanatics understand about the very technology they praise.

> It is impossible for the blockchain to prove anything about anything that originates from outside of that particular blockchain True, but instead of having to trust a central authority for insertion, updating, removal and constant maintenance of your "ownership", the trust would only be required for insertion. Once you purchased a domain and it's inserted in the blockchain, no one (outside of yourself) should be ab…

So what happens when Microsoft disagrees that I own Microsoft.block?

E: Honest question, comes off as snark a little - would they be able to just take it somehow or would they need to use jailtime and or broken kneecaps to get it off you? Either way the blockchain's concept of ownership seems like it would be broken easily by law and companies with lots of money

Re: Eu.org, free domain names since 1996

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> Ownership is a nebulous concept with many interpretations It may have become that, but was it always that way, though? I grew up being pretty clear on the distinction between purchasing a book in a bookshop and borrowing a book from the school or public library.

If you buy a M8 Bolt or a pair of plain black socks, you are free to do whatever you want with it, sell photos of it, make copies etc. The same can’t exactly be said about the book you purchased (in most legislations where the concept of intellectual property exist). Does that mean that you don’t own the book? Ownership is not so clear cut.

You own that copy of the book, you do not own the copyright (the right to copy) for the book

Re: Eu.org, free domain names since 1996

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There are already projects like Handshake, ENS, Unstoppable domains that try to do this. Honestly I like the need for renewal fees for domains personally, since it means you can't just buy a domain once and squat on it forever.

Maybe renewal makes sense to prevent squatting but the question remains: who receives the money paid?? If the money were to be used to secure the network somehow, it would make sense. If the money just goes to the creators... it was all just a money grab.

I am unsure about the speicfics but Handshake appears to burn the money paid. So that's fine.

However most of the potential token supply (like 50%) was premined/airdropped to ssh keys of Github users with >15 followers.

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