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Eu.org, free domain names since 1996

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Re: Eu.org, free domain names since 1996

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Post by nix23 »

trompetenaccoun wrote: post #58
asdfaoeu wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure but don't pay your property tax and let me know what happens there.

Yes, that's a good analogy, it's pretty much the exact same situation, with the only difference that the government collects tax while DNS is in the hands of private corporations. Imo there is a good argument for property tax if you view land as a somewhat public good. After all some wealthy family can and in some cases in the old world literally does own vast stretches of land for centuries. That's basically heredit…

>DNS is in the hands of private corporations

https://www.icann.org/ ??

Re: Eu.org, free domain names since 1996

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Post by logifail »

southerntofu wrote: post #86
guerrilla wrote: post #80

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> it's reserved for you as long as you pay your dues (just like property taxes for land). If you don't, it will be put back on the market for other people to enjoy. No, rent is not tax.

That's debatable, but in all cases domain name fees is certainly not "rent" in the traditional sense. At least most registries cannot by law/contract take your domain away from you as long as you keep paying your dues. Of course the same applies for rent depending on your local housing regulations: the difference is you cannot undergo serious modifications in an apartment you rent, but you can modify whatever you wan…

> At least most registries cannot by law/contract take your domain away from you as long as you keep paying your dues

Aren't there situations where it ends up being hard for a landlord to take their appartment away from the tenant?

Re: Eu.org, free domain names since 1996

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Post by jotm »

easytiger wrote: post #119
GTP wrote: post #113

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Why? Consider the scenario of a domain name owner dying and his relatives not caring/not knowing he/she owned a domain. With the current system the domain will be eventually available again. What alternative to you suggest?

> With the current system the domain will be eventually available again. Why is that a problem? Do you even understand how physical property IRL is owned at a legal or philosophical level?

Don't forget to pay your government taxes, or you'll quickly find out just how far "ownership" goes.

Re: Eu.org, free domain names since 1996

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Post by jotm »

josephcsible wrote: post #8
IshKebab wrote: post #7

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What traditional sense?

With traditional ownership, you can pay a lump sum of money for something up front, and then it's yours forever unless you decide to get rid of it. With domains, you have to keep paying over and over or your "ownership" gets revoked.

In many, if not most, countries, if you don't pay your property taxes, if you don't do "adequate upkeep" of the property, or if the government decides it's needed for something more important, it can be forcibly bought off and you'd be lucky if they pay you current market value and not the price you paid when you bought it. Or, in less developed places, they just confiscate it.

Re: Eu.org, free domain names since 1996

#135

Post by jotm »

enriquto wrote: post #10
jpswade wrote: post #3

This is the internet I grew up with, and I miss it.

Everything is still there, what do you mean? I still write html by hand and everything works as expected.

"I miss it, but I won't use it" heh

I also miss videogames but can't be arsed to play any since I lost interest. It's kinda weird how that works.

Re: Eu.org, free domain names since 1996

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Post by dingleberry420 »

anunay03 wrote: post #130
justsomeguy123 wrote: post #102

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Maybe renewal makes sense to prevent squatting but the question remains: who receives the money paid?? If the money were to be used to secure the network somehow, it would make sense. If the money just goes to the creators... it was all just a money grab.

I am unsure about the speicfics but Handshake appears to burn the money paid. So that's fine. However most of the potential token supply (like 50%) was premined/airdropped to ssh keys of Github users with >15 followers.

Except that the money in this case is actually electricity and all you're doing is advancing global warming.

Re: Eu.org, free domain names since 1996

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Post by logifail »

technothrasher wrote: post #120
logifail wrote: post #50

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> I would regard it as their car, and possibly go so far as to say they own it, if I wasn't thinking too hard about it, and maybe even if I was. it's in their possession. Thought experiment: If they were to damage their vehicle (but assuming it's still legal to drive), who gets to decide whether it should - or indeed must - be repaired? Your parents, or someone else? (Full disclosure: I recently added some scratches…

> I don't need to involve the insurance company, I don't need to talk to any bank or finance company, I can simply go to any local independent provider and have the car repaired. Or indeed not, if I decide it's not worth it. This is all true for a leased car as well. The only difference is that when you turn the leased car in at the end of the term, you may get charged by the leasing company for any damages that are…

> This is all true for a leased car as well

Almost, except that:

> The only difference is that when you turn the leased car in at the end of the term [...]

Yes, correct, and exactly what I was alluding to: the significant difference between owning and leasing!

EDIT: Maybe I'm missing something (we've only ever owned vehicles outright, never leased). Q: If you are leasing a car and you have a (let's say fairly serious) crash, are you allowed to have it repaired in the manner of your choice, even at a third-party repair shop, and not even be obliged to inform the leasing company about the accident and/or the repairs?

Re: Eu.org, free domain names since 1996

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Post by arzeth »

maxdamantus wrote: post #115
dizhn wrote: post #85

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As far as I can tell I can visit eu.org (which redirects) but not .com . How are browsers handling it differently?

Unlike "com", Anguilla's TLD, "ai", has an A record pointing to a usable HTTP server: http://ai/ A few years ago I tried all two-letter ([a-z]) TLDs and found some others that were able to handle HTTP requests, but they were either just redirecting to another domain name (the ones I noted down back then don't seem to work anymore) or returning 500 errors ( http://uz/ ). These examples should at least demonstrate that…

I've recently (2022-03) done the same but also .space and all others from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Internet_top-level_dom... and discovered:

curl http://ai

Apache's Hello world:

curl http://pn

ping tk

ping uz

ping cm

All others had this error:

curl: (6) Could not resolve host: %tld%

Re: Eu.org, free domain names since 1996

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Post by FernandoMax »

It seems more like "free sub-domains" not domains.

EU.org is not endorsed to any European Union initiative.

These things are quite unstable. I've seen URL shorteners (even one from goo.gl) and URL "redirectioners" and a lot of things like that disappear. Like Geocities in the wind.

Sadly only archive.org is a source of memories.

Re: Eu.org, free domain names since 1996

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Post by rurban »

afiori wrote: post #36
bipson wrote: post #30

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Wow, the guys from .aero had a few categories in mind... so did some south american countries. Does anyone know why bulgaria thought this was a good idea? > bg > (a-z).bg > (0-9).bg I can't find the mentioned "rules"-document... Edit: shorter representation of original list

have you seen the Italian and Japanese section of that document? Italy registered subdomains for all its regions and provinces, including spelling variations. All of the following domains are for the same region: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trentino-Alto_Adige/S%C3%BCdti... trentin-sud-tirol.it trentin-süd-tirol.it trentin-sudtirol.it trentin-südtirol.it trentin-sued-tirol.it trentin-suedtirol.it trentino-a-adige.i…

Sure. They need to ensure, that no South-Tyrolian registers those officially looking ones.

After the 2nd world war Italy just invaded south tyrol/now trentino because they mixed up the capitulation date. They still speak tyrolian there, but belong officially to Italy.

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