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Re: Eu.org, free domain names since 1996

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Ownership is a nebulous concept with many interpretations. I'm guessing your referring to private property (from a capitalist interpretation) as "the traditional sense", in which case domain names are fairly similar: once you acquire the domain, it's reserved for you as long as you pay your dues (just like property taxes for land). If you don't, it will be put back on the market for other people to enjoy. To be clear…

> Ownership is a nebulous concept with many interpretations It may have become that, but was it always that way, though? I grew up being pretty clear on the distinction between purchasing a book in a bookshop and borrowing a book from the school or public library.

> I grew up being pretty clear on the distinction between purchasing a book in a bookshop and borrowing a book from the school or public library.

Very good point that proves "ownership" means different things: private property under capitalism is different from a common/public property such as a book from a library. For most of history, land was not "owned" by anyone. See also "enclosure of the commons" for some reading on the topic.

Use-based "ownership" (personal belongings) is not "private property" (a religious belief that prevents people from using a resource that could benefit them such as empty dwellings), and is not "collective property" (shared resource managed by a community), and is not "public domain" (shared abundant resources such as air or water in some regions). All of these approaches can be considered forms of ownership/property, but they vary wildly in principles and applications.

Re: Eu.org, free domain names since 1996

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> it's reserved for you as long as you pay your dues (just like property taxes for land). If you don't, it will be put back on the market for other people to enjoy. No, rent is not tax.

That's debatable, but in all cases domain name fees is certainly not "rent" in the traditional sense. At least most registries cannot by law/contract take your domain away from you as long as you keep paying your dues. Of course the same applies for rent depending on your local housing regulations: the difference is you cannot undergo serious modifications in an apartment you rent, but you can modify whatever you wan…

> That's debatable,

No, not really, it's just definitionally false.

> A tax is a compulsory financial charge or some other type of levy imposed on a taxpayer (an individual or legal entity) by a governmental organization in order to fund government spending and various public expenditures (regional, local, or national),[2] and tax compliance refers to policy actions and individual behaviour aimed at ensuring that taxpayers are paying the right amount of tax at the right time and securing the correct tax allowances and tax reliefs.[3] The first known taxation took place in Ancient Egypt around 3000–2800 BC.[4] A failure to pay in a timely manner (non-compliance), along with evasion of or resistance to taxation, is punishable by law. Taxes consist of direct or indirect taxes and may be paid in money or as its labour equivalent.

> At least most registries cannot by law/contract take your domain away from you as long as you keep paying your dues

Any contract can be written that way and none of them are tax.

Re: Eu.org, free domain names since 1996

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> individuals should be able to have and own their own domain names We should probably remember that no-one "owns" a domain, at least not in the traditional sense of ownership.

Something something blockchain! I believe for "real" ownership of domain names, a blockchain would actually make sense.

There are already projects like Handshake, ENS, Unstoppable domains that try to do this. Honestly I like the need for renewal fees for domains personally, since it means you can't just buy a domain once and squat on it forever.

Re: Eu.org, free domain names since 1996

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Satoshis. A fractional Bitcoin. Of course the answer is that nobody would use Twitter if that were the case because nobody cares about crypto currencies except for either speculation or fraud.

I care, a lot. I work remotely and Bitcoin is the only way I can get paid from overseas. In my country most people (even Govt officials) speculate on the US dollars against our currency, there's lots of fraud with cash, or social engineering old people to steal their money from their home banking. We should get rid of all of those as well, right?

Argentina (?)

Re: Eu.org, free domain names since 1996

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They provide free subdomains, not free domains. Title is misleading.

Honestly I'd argue that all domains are "subdomains", unless you get your own TLD from ICANN, you're renting a first level "subdomain" from someone.

However ofc getting a subdomain under a gTLD comes with all the benefits and promises ICANN provides. Which this won't.

Re: Eu.org, free domain names since 1996

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They provide free subdomains, not free domains. Title is misleading.

Domains, if you check the public suffix list, the eu.org stuff is entered as public suffix, so it counts as a domain like any other to the browser and the eu.org part is just the TLD.

Anyone can add a suffix to the public suffix list, if they give out subdomains to mutually unrelated parties. I added one. I don't think part of the mission of the PSL is to distinguish "domain" from "subdomain". It's certainly not meant to be a list of TLDs, just a list of suffixes below which the namespace is public.

The main distinction here is really just that keeping eu.org costs 20 bucks a year or whatever, and creating a subdomain costs them ~nothing, so it's not really remarkable that these are free, whereas, for example, a free .org would be remarkable.

Re: Eu.org, free domain names since 1996

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> Germany. All land belongs to the state Maybe that's a technicality (at first glance it feels like an almost outlandish claim), but in the spirit of enquiry I'll put it like this: can you share a source for that? FWIW I skimmed [0] and failed to come up with anything that comes close... [0] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grundeigentum

The GP is referring to Germany's counterpart to the US' eminent domain, I think: if the state lays a claim on your land, you are bound to comply. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enteignung#Wiedervereinigtes_D... (third paragraph): Since 2009 there have been 1647 procedures initiated in the Bundesrepublik for expropriation of landownership for road construction projects. As of August 2020, 448 of these procedures have b…

Of course, you can sue against that, and sometimes for decades (and thus prevent the project from getting ever finished, see the planned, and eventually forsaken A85 project that was meant to connect Stuttgart to Schwäbisch Hall roughly where today's B14 is [1]. They weren't able to seize two key farmer's fields and gave up - when the old farmer died in 2002, they build a nice bypass through there. Having lived in the area, a fast connection to the local capital would have made a lot of people's lives a lot better and saved millions of litres of fuel each year.

[1] http://www.autobahnatlas-online.de/A85.htm

Re: Eu.org, free domain names since 1996

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Does anyone have news regarding ccor.org, the cooperative that wanted to take over and operate .org registry when PIR attempted to sell it off?

We could certainly use more cooperative registries/registrars, if only to make domain names more accessible to poorer folks. I was so excited about ccor.org and i'm sad there's been no development since PIR/ICANN folks dropped their corrupt deal.

Re: Eu.org, free domain names since 1996

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my parents lease a car. I would regard it as their car, and possibly go so far as to say they own it, if I wasn't thinking too hard about it, and maybe even if I was. it's in their possession.

If they owned it, they might hand-paint it, or saw off the roof and make it a cabrio, without consequences. Can they?

Even if they "fully owned" it, they still couldn't paint or mod it without consequences. Vehicles must abide to certain regulations or they cannot be driven on public roads. Can't paint a stop-sign on it, for example. Can't saw off the steering wheel.

Re: Eu.org, free domain names since 1996

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Something something blockchain! I believe for "real" ownership of domain names, a blockchain would actually make sense.

How would the blockchain saying that you "own" a domain make you own it more than currently? It is impossible for the blockchain to prove anything about anything that originates from outside of that particular blockchain. This is the reason why wanting to apply blockchain to everything such as land ownership is laughable and shows how little blockchain fanatics understand about the very technology they praise.

> It is impossible for the blockchain to prove anything about anything that originates from outside of that particular blockchain

True, but instead of having to trust a central authority for insertion, updating, removal and constant maintenance of your "ownership", the trust would only be required for insertion. Once you purchased a domain and it's inserted in the blockchain, no one (outside of yourself) should be able to revoke, change or question your ownership of the domain itself.

Honestly it would be a pretty good use case for a blockchain, but it lacks a money incentive for any part involved so it will probably never happen

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