They provide free subdomains, not free domains. Title is misleading.
Eu.org, free domain names since 1996
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#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ownership rights vary from culture to culture and from country to country. Even in the US you don't get to own something forever, you get to own it until someone takes it off you to build a shopping mall for example. In most countries, leased property is often referred to as "owned", yet you have to keep paying over and over to renew that lease.
Name some of those countries.
USA is one
"But these buildings have an even lesser-known sibling in the world of condominiums, known as leasehold condos. In this scenario, condo owners get an actual deed and therefore own their property, even though the building is technically under lease to a larger ownership entity, to which it pays rent."
https://www.brickunderground.com/buy/what-is-a-leasehold-con...
Re: Eu.org, free domain names since 1996
#53Oh great, another source of "nice looking" .eu.org domains to be used by spammers and for phishing. I bet there will be many naive users (to put it lighlty) that will fall for a scam originating or using such domains :-(
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#54They provide free subdomains, not free domains. Title is misleading.
Eh not really. There’s really not much of a difference.
For example would you consider .co.uk domains as subdomains
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#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
Name some of those countries.
Germany. All land belongs to the state, save for some historical claims held by the Catholic church and (I think) former aristocracy. Note that private property rights still exist on top of that but this is why the state can decide that e.g. an energy company's interest in your land is more beneficial to the people than yours. You'll still get reimbursed although legally speaking I'm not sure the state would have to…
> Germany. All land belongs to the state
Maybe that's a technicality (at first glance it feels like an almost outlandish claim), but in the spirit of enquiry I'll put it like this: can you share a source for that?
FWIW I skimmed [0] and failed to come up with anything that comes close...
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#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
Pretty surprising to me if others agree, if you lease a car you dont own that car, do you?
my parents lease a car. I would regard it as their car, and possibly go so far as to say they own it, if I wasn't thinking too hard about it, and maybe even if I was. it's in their possession.
If they owned it, they might hand-paint it, or saw off the roof and make it a cabrio, without consequences. Can they?
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#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
They're not the creator, Verisign created it. And I don't know about Google's specific agreement (they may have paid decades in advance for all we know) but in general if a company forgets to pay they lose their name, there were a few high profile cases like that already. That isn't ownership, that's rent.
Sure but don't pay your property tax and let me know what happens there.
Yes, that's a good analogy, it's pretty much the exact same situation, with the only difference that the government collects tax while DNS is in the hands of private corporations.
Imo there is a good argument for property tax if you view land as a somewhat public good. After all some wealthy family can and in some cases in the old world literally does own vast stretches of land for centuries. That's basically hereditary aristocracy, probably not the best political system we could come up with. So imposing a tax/rent on land ownership seems reasonable to me.
Anyway, I may be digressing because the point wasn't even if it's good or bad, just that it isn't ownership in the way people generally understand the term. With DNS I find it personally questionable why it's in private hands if we as a society have decided to impose a tax/rent. It used to be public afaik, it's a bit like privatizing the water supply. I think most people would be against it if they know how the internet works. They simply never noticed it even happened.
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#59They provide free subdomains, not free domains. Title is misleading.
Domains, if you check the public suffix list, the eu.org stuff is entered as public suffix, so it counts as a domain like any other to the browser and the eu.org part is just the TLD.
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#60This is the internet I grew up with, and I miss it.
I do too. Unfortunately these relics show what the old internet would be today. *.eu.org is mostly populated by scammers.
Building a new internet that starts from where the old internet ended and makes internet work again like old internet is what we need. You need reputation control and propagation etc.