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Re: Cuba about to adopt the most progressive family law in the world

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Post by pastacacioepepe »

notch656a wrote: post #38
foogazi wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Parent mentions it in their post: this is not some law handed down from a court or imposed by Congress Cuba is redefining its family law all at once, not via piecemeal disjointed legislative “victories”, but via a public referendum that goes against the established culture

How could that legislation be democratic if it goes against the established 'culture' the majority is in favor of? A democratic outcome would be one that follows the majority opinion that has been established. An outcome against the vote of the majority would not be 'democratic' (although it may be more equitable or better protect rights of minority). Of course, on the democratic side it's hard to really call a syste…

You posted some very low effort answer you were ashamed of, canceled it AFTER I already answered you and now you post more nonsense and expect me to give you attention again?

Re: Cuba about to adopt the most progressive family law in the world

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Post by pastacacioepepe »

tfsss78e wrote: post #39
foogazi wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Parent mentions it in their post: this is not some law handed down from a court or imposed by Congress Cuba is redefining its family law all at once, not via piecemeal disjointed legislative “victories”, but via a public referendum that goes against the established culture

I'm afraid you're not familiar with how things work in Cuba. In short, you mustn't believe much of what you read on Granma, which is the official newspaper, fully controlled by the government. It's not free press, it's a government propaganda machine. No one can publish a response or contradicting article there, or in any other newspaper in Cuba. There is even legislation to prevent what they call "free press" online…

Ah yes, thank you, throwaway account created just to dump on Cuba.

Re: Cuba about to adopt the most progressive family law in the world

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Post by pastacacioepepe »

ahahahahah wrote: post #26
pastacacioepepe wrote: post #19

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> Quick and incredibly shallow, yet the most prominent comment in the thread. > What is being discussed in Cuba goes beyond anything existing in the rest of the world Goes on to not give a single example of it going beyond anything existing in the rest of the world.

I mean can you read? Then go ahead and read the article. Why should I do your job for you?

Re: Cuba about to adopt the most progressive family law in the world

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Post by pastacacioepepe »

anonu wrote: post #33
pastacacioepepe wrote: post #19

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> incredibly shallow No need to throw shade. If I come across granma.cu which bills itself as "OFFICIAL VOICE OF THE COMMUNIST PARTY OF CUBA CENTRAL COMMITTEE", I'd like to get another perspective. Not that Reuters is necessarily that perspective... but it is most likely a more neutral source. > USA states cancel abortion rights with unilateral decisions from the top, while the population protests in disbelief. I wou…

Even once you read Reuters you still decided to go for a very shallow view. Reuters explains a lot of stuff, but you only cherry picked what was supporting the idea that Cuba is inferior to the democracy you live in.

Re: Cuba about to adopt the most progressive family law in the world

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Post by trasz »

clarionbell wrote: post #40

One has to wonder at naivety of some people. Listen, I know modern media made us jaded and mistrusting by default, so this might get brushed under carpet as "Well all politicians lie." but countries like Cuba take propaganda to another level. The default stance when reading any of their official news source, as it was in Czechoslovakia several decades ago, is to believe the opposite. And all news sources are official…

You are right in regards to Cuba. You are wrong by assuming it’s any better in, say, US.

Re: Cuba about to adopt the most progressive family law in the world

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Post by trasz »

notch656a wrote: post #30
pastacacioepepe wrote: post #22

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You're missing the point. It isn't recognized as a legal family form either.

Earlier you praised democracy being the system by which the "population" decides "their own political matters." You go on to cite this democratic system where "46,000 neighborhood meetings" determine family law as being exemplary citizenship involvement and democratic process. Then you take a viewpoint (legalize polymarous marriage, basically) that goes against the democratic majority in the US and Cuba. Wanting to f…

Human rights aren’t something that should be voted on.

Re: Cuba about to adopt the most progressive family law in the world

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Post by bstr_ »

trasz wrote: post #45
clarionbell wrote: post #40

One has to wonder at naivety of some people. Listen, I know modern media made us jaded and mistrusting by default, so this might get brushed under carpet as "Well all politicians lie." but countries like Cuba take propaganda to another level. The default stance when reading any of their official news source, as it was in Czechoslovakia several decades ago, is to believe the opposite. And all news sources are official…

You are right in regards to Cuba. You are wrong by assuming it’s any better in, say, US.

Yes, that makes sense. It's just as bad in the US. Ok.

Re: Cuba about to adopt the most progressive family law in the world

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Post by pastacacioepepe »

gus_massa wrote: post #32
pastacacioepepe wrote: post #19

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> What is being discussed in Cuba goes beyond anything existing in the rest of the world, but the most astounding thing is how democratic the process is. We had something similar to discuss Education in Argentina in 1984-1988, it was called "Congreso Pedagógico Nacional". There were a huge number of meetings in each school and they selected delegates for the next step, and after a few steps all the delegates were mem…

It might not be a case then, if Argentina is one of the countries with a highest perception of democracy among its citizens.

Re: Cuba about to adopt the most progressive family law in the world

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Post by notch656a »

pastacacioepepe wrote: post #41
notch656a wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How could that legislation be democratic if it goes against the established 'culture' the majority is in favor of? A democratic outcome would be one that follows the majority opinion that has been established. An outcome against the vote of the majority would not be 'democratic' (although it may be more equitable or better protect rights of minority). Of course, on the democratic side it's hard to really call a syste…

You posted some very low effort answer you were ashamed of, canceled it AFTER I already answered you and now you post more nonsense and expect me to give you attention again?

Considering my reply was to foogazi and not yourself, you seem to be pretty presumptive regarding my desire for your 'attention' on this comment.

Re: Cuba about to adopt the most progressive family law in the world

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Post by notch656a »

pastacacioepepe wrote: post #44
anonu wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> incredibly shallow No need to throw shade. If I come across granma.cu which bills itself as "OFFICIAL VOICE OF THE COMMUNIST PARTY OF CUBA CENTRAL COMMITTEE", I'd like to get another perspective. Not that Reuters is necessarily that perspective... but it is most likely a more neutral source. > USA states cancel abortion rights with unilateral decisions from the top, while the population protests in disbelief. I wou…

Even once you read Reuters you still decided to go for a very shallow view. Reuters explains a lot of stuff, but you only cherry picked what was supporting the idea that Cuba is inferior to the democracy you live in.

One of Castro's favorite methods of redirecting criticism against Cuba was to explain that the US did as bad or worse.

I'm quite sure the US has done many worse things than Cuba. However that doesn't absolve criticisms of Cuba, especially some particularly egregious flaws that cast into doubt its 'democratic' process.

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